When is Enough ,Enough?

[CRedskinsRule]

We will see. They haven't said which engine test site is being dismantled, and how it will be verified.

So far, I think it is positive steps, but only if they go down the right path. If they don't we haven't committed to any type of irreversible move so we will be right back at Defcon 1

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

Can you imagine if Roosevelt had flattered Hitler, or how about if Obama had called Bin Laden a “smart cookie” or said he respected him? I bet you if you polled the Trumpers today that they would give higher marks to Jung Un than Obama. What is going on with our Presidency is absolute lunacy. No more. No less. For some reason this guy who has spent his life conning Americans (ill spare you the list of examples), is now getting a pass on anything and everything he does and says simply because his base does not like the black dude or the woman who he ran against. This is not a personal remark directed at you or chico or anyone on this board but at the majority of his base.

They use to call Reagan the teflon presidency, but fact is he did a lot of good things.

Trump is no Reagan, but he is the most anti-socialism/ pro capitalistic Realpolitik president since Reagan. And that is a refreshing change to a lot of Trump's base that doesn't think global, socialistic world views should be the people running the USA. They can run the rest of the world into a socialistic dumpster fire, just let us be Muricans.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

We will see. They haven't said which engine test site is being dismantled, and how it will be verified.



So far, I think it is positive steps, but only if they go down the right path. If they don't we haven't committed to any type of irreversible move so we will be right back at Defcon 1

Right. Though You still haven’t discussed my initial point which was how come the same people championing Trumps small step, scoffed and ridiculed Obama for merely mentioning face to face diplomacy with Jung Un?

[CRedskinsRule]

Actually, I did. I said I kind of agree with your point. But it works in the reverse as well. If President Obama did this same type of action MSNBC and CNN and their ilk would be singing his Praises for striving to open the hermit Kingdom up. And fox would I agree be demonizing President Obama's actions.

Originally Posted by punch it in

Right. Though You still haven’t discussed my initial point which was how come the same people championing Trumps small step, scoffed and ridiculed Obama for merely mentioning face to face diplomacy with Jung Un?

It really goes to the two points of views that exist it's why Trump is such a polarizer. One set of views holds socialism and socialistic economic principles are more important than capitalistic Market principles. One set of views holds that you need to build community by being a community organizer while the other viewpoint holds that you offer tasty carrots and strong sticks. I think that President Trump offered strong sticks and tasty carrots, hopefully the hermit Kingdom chooses to go down the path of tasty carrots. we will only see which one as this progresses. I do believe this is a good first step on both sides.

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

Actually, I did. I said I kind of agree with your point. But it works in the reverse as well. If President Obama did this same type of action MSNBC and CNN and their ilk would be singing his Praises for striving to open the hermit Kingdom up. And fox would I agree be demonizing President Obama's actions.It really goes to the two points of views that exist it's why Trump is such a polarizer. One set of views holds socialism and socialistic economic principles are more important than capitalistic Market principles. One set of views holds that you need to build community by being a community organizer while the other viewpoint holds that you offer tasty carrots and strong sticks. I think that President Trump offered strong sticks and tasty carrots, hopefully the hermit Kingdom chooses to go down the path of tasty carrots. we will only see which one as this progresses. I do believe this is a good first step on both sides.

My bad. I see that now. The first response i saw from you was actually your second response. Pitfall of using my iphone i guess. 🧐

[punch it in]

He also called our military drills “provocative “. Wow. Just wow. Got a murderous dictator launching missiles and building nukes and our military presence is provocative? Holy crap if Obama had said that the GOP would be marching towards the oval office with torches to hang the traitor.
That is about as weak and spineless as it gets. You have the chance to posture while the world is watching and you undermine your own countries military operations. Unreal.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

He also called our military drills “provocative “. Wow. Just wow. Got a murderous dictator launching missiles and building nukes and our military presence is provocative? Holy crap if Obama had said that the GOP would be marching towards the oval office with torches to hang the traitor.
That is about as weak and spineless as it gets. You have the chance to posture while the world is watching and you undermine your own countries military operations. Unreal.

But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?

Are you asking the biggest liberal in the world if I like the idea of bringing troops home, shutting the door on our military options and it resulting in Jung Un coming to his senses and we all go on living happily ever after. Um....yeah that sounds good. Lol.
Problem is Jung Un is a murderous dictator and Trump told the world he “loves his people “. He also followed up on his military comments by saying “practice is expensive “ - so if we do stop those military options- we better hope to God that this crazy mother fucker (jung un, not Trump - lol) better be so softened up by Trumps soft ass words that he indeed changes his tune and suddenly becomes some sort of Santa Clause. But even the worlds biggest liberal isn’t fooled by Jung Un taking a selfie and shaking a hand. The guy is probably lining up a firing squad right now and printing stamps of his photo op he just had. NO I DO NOT TRUST JUNG UN. Trump just blew sunshine up some monsters ass for the world to see. We looked extremely week, and him calling him names on Twitter in a couple months when Jung Un doesn’t even entertain denuclearization isn’t good enough.
Sometimes there just is no solution. We have been holding a presence at the DMZ forever. He fires rockets into the ocean. The world goes on. Now Trump has tried insulting him for the world to see. Trump has tried to kiss his ass for the world to see. But now what happens the next time he tests a rocket? Than you just might wish Trump had left well enough alone. Because there are a whole lot of innocent people that live within striking distance of that hornets nest.

[punch it in]

For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/polit...th-north-korea

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

The key point is Chico, nobody cares what is said. We only care what is actually done.

If it actually happens then Trump will deserve a Nobel Peace Prize, that's how significant an achievement it will be. But I'm not interested in words. Only actions and achievements.

No,not really. A dictator who has been playing with nuclear weapons and has been threatening Japan ,S.Korea and the US has screwed up his nuclear program so bad the test site collapsed their program is done, and trump wants to but this man on the World stage as a leader when everyone else knows he is crazy and all the while trump is lying to our allies,nope ,sorry don't see it.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

But, what if, and i know it hasn't yet, but what if it works, and 3 years from now we have a verified peace, with no spectre of war on that peninsula, would that the ends have made his actions more palatable?

I understand your question but this man murdered his own family members to stay in power and has killed his own people ,sorry no what if's for me.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/polit...th-north-korea

LOL, this will go over well!


+1

[mooby]

I agree with Schneed. I hate Trump as much as Punch/G1 but if he's effective in getting NK to dismantle their nukes program we gotta give him credit.

With that being said, talk is cheap. Not just cheap, it's 3rd world country cheap with our Prez. He can hate you one day, but if you kiss his ass the next he'll say your one of the greatest people he's ever known. So yeah, we need to see actions, not just lip service. Especially with a despised dictator on the other end, who's as unstable as Trump is.

TL;DR: Peace is very achievable here, but there are 2 guys making the deal known for flip-flopping. And there's always the possibility KJU tries to present NK as a country who's giving up his nukes but keeps a secret stash somewhere.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by punch it in

For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/polit...th-north-korea

As i said, I am sure a similar montage of msnbc hosts raving about Pres Obama could be made.

The "news" channels no longer report just the facts they all shade it with heavy positional bias.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by punch it in

For all of those who shy away from fake news. Here is their favorite channel of hypocrites.
https://nowthisnews.com/videos/polit...th-north-korea

LOL, reminds me of this one.............



https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...&v=Xze1DtXUQeU