NFL divisional round thread.

[Hijinx]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

From what I understand, the player reported to the ref that he was ineligible. The Ravens can complain but the Pats followed the rules this time.

Where the Pats "gamed the system" was that, they did not give the refs any time to get that info to the Ravens coaches/players.

I am 100% sure there will be a rule change come next year. It is typical of Belicheat to do shit like this.

[JoeRedskin]

Glad the Ravens lost, sucks the Pats won.

As a friend of mine said:

Q: What's worse than a playoff game between the Ravens and the Pats called by Cris Collinsworth?

A: Nothing. Absolutely nothing.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Hurdling the line not once but twice was pretty sick, surprised the Panthers didn't change up the snap count the 2nd time around. He had the timing down perfect.

I need McC to find us a kam chancellor. He looked like the best player on the field last night. it was also stated by someone previously, but that dude is the most Sean Taylor like player I've seen. Freak athlete, huge hitter and big play specialist.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Where the Pats "gamed the system" was that, they did not give the refs any time to get that info to the Ravens coaches/players.

I am 100% sure there will be a rule change come next year. It is typical of Belicheat to do shit like this.

Well, that's on the Refs.

If a player changes his eligibility, the Referee must alert the defensive captain after player has reported to him.

NFL Rules Digest: Position of Players at Snap

If the Refs told the D captain, then tough sh** that you were unprepared for the change-up. Call a time out and adjust.

On the other hand, if the Ref did not tell the D captain, well ... that's just more of the inconsistent reffing that happened throughout the game.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by EARTHQUAKE2689

Yeah, no they shouldn't have.

They were 10-6 Carolina was 7-8-1 not even close. Not saying the Eagles would have won anything but still

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by Hijinx

Where the Pats "gamed the system" was that, they did not give the refs any time to get that info to the Ravens coaches/players.

I am 100% sure there will be a rule change come next year. It is typical of Belicheat to do shit like this.

That's not on New England. The refs and Baltimore should know that they're going to push the rules. Harbaugh got a 15 yarder cause he couldn't control himself. In a win or go home situation, everyone, coaches included, need to check their emotions.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Harbaugh unhappy that he got outcoached on that one.

This is what it comes down too. He should have called a timeout to adjust if he was that concerned

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

I need McC to find us a kam chancellor. He looked like the best player on the field last night. it was also stated by someone previously, but that dude is the most Sean Taylor like player I've seen. Freak athlete, huge hitter and big play specialist.

Actually, Kam and Earl Thomas were both drafted in 2010. The year before McCloughan joined the Hawks. [Same draft got them Okung and Golden Tate].

He was with the Hawks for their 2011, 2012 and 2013 drafts. Of the 30 picks from those three drafts (and according to PFT) only six players are no longer in the NFL. Three from 2011 and three 2013.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by skinsfan69

From what I understand, the player reported to the ref that he was ineligible. The Ravens can complain but the Pats followed the rules this time.

Yup, they even showed the ref informing the defense on replay. Belicheat may have gamed the system again but this time it was legal.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

This is what it comes down too. He should have called a timeout to adjust if he was that concerned

Yup. Exactly. What did Harbaugh want the refs to do? Delay putting the ball in play so Baltimore could adjust? Once the ball is in play, that's it. NE can snap it as fast as they desire.

Again, it's up to the refs and Baltimore. As long as prior to putting the ball in play:
(1) NE reports to the refs about the change in eligibility; and
(2) Refs tell D's captain, then
(3) NE can snap the ball once in play.

Are D's given more time to adjust if a OL reports eligible? Do refs delay placing the ball in those situation? I highly doubt it. It's on the D to call a time out.

Harbaugh got caught with his pants down. Simple as that.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by HailGreen28

Curious. How did the refs drop the ball on that one?

The refs should have announced which receiver was ineligible and give the defense the chance to identify the ineligible receiver prior to the snap.

In the same sense that the refs announce eligible receivers when they are wearing numbers considered 'ineligible' e.g. tackle eligible.
The refs announce player #72 is reporting as eligible.

The refs should have announced player #34 is reporting as ineligible.

But I don't fault the refs for not picking up what the Pats were doing because it was happening fast. I knew something was up but couldn't pin point it myself in realtime either, i was drinking too.

The Pats gained an advantage snapping the ball before the Ravens had a chance to identify the ineligible receiver thus forcing them to waste a defender covering an ineligible receiver. They had no way to know which receiver wasn't eligible and moreover the Pats made an effort for the ineligible receiver to look like he was eligible.

Like I said, tip of the hat to the hoodie.

Wilson looked good yesterday. Running Qb just doing what is asked of him, not having to win the game on his own. Like 2012 here.

Sure. Running QB or whatever label you want to call him. Russ made plays runs and throws that helped win the game.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Yup. Exactly. What did Harbaugh want the refs to do? Delay putting the ball in play so Baltimore could adjust? Once the ball is in play, that's it. NE can snap it as fast as they desire.

Again, it's up to the refs and Baltimore. As long as prior to putting the ball in play:
(1) NE reports to the refs about the change in eligibility; and
(2) Refs tell D's captain, then
(3) NE can snap the ball once in play.

Are D's given more time to adjust if a OL reports eligible? Do refs delay placing the ball in those situation? I highly doubt it. It's on the D to call a time out.

Harbaugh got caught with his pants down. Simple as that.

Yes, and when he figures that out, he's gonna regret making noises now. All he is doing is calling attention to the pants down by his ankles.

[Lotus]

Originally Posted by 30gut

The refs should have announced which receiver was ineligible and give the defense the chance to identify the ineligible receiver prior to the snap.

In the same sense that the refs announce eligible receivers when they are wearing numbers considered 'ineligible' e.g. tackle eligible.
The refs announce player #72 is reporting as eligible.

The refs should have announced player #34 is reporting as ineligible.

But I don't fault the refs for not picking up what the Pats were doing because it was happening fast. I knew something was up but couldn't pin point it myself in realtime either, i was drinking too.

The Pats gained an advantage snapping the ball before the Ravens had a chance to identify the ineligible receiver thus forcing them to waste a defender covering an ineligible receiver. They had no way to know which receiver wasn't eligible and moreover the Pats made an effort for the ineligible receiver to look like he was eligible.

Like I said, tip of the hat to the hoodie.

Sure. Running QB or whatever label you want to call him. Russ made plays runs and throws that helped win the game.

They did.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Lotus

Yup, they even showed the ref informing the defense on replay. Belicheat may have gamed the system again but this time it was legal.

Belichick didn't "game the system," he simply used some players in an unconventional fashion.

Hey, Harbaugh "gamed the system" by preserving his timeouts and taking a penalty rather than calling a timeout, adjusting his defense and bringing the issue to the Refs attention.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by Lotus

They did.

When did the refs announce over the mic: player X is not eligible? Maybe I missed it. But I sure don't recalling hearing the refs announce it.