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[ram29jackson]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

PETA would lose their shit over that name...somehow

answer A- lol good point


answer B- another pointless organization

answer C- somewhere out there is a animal rights activist hiding in a closet eating beef jerky with an indian logo on the bag

[ram29jackson]

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Red Clouds.

He was the first Native American delegate in DC.

I still don't want to change the name nor do I really see a need for it

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

I would hope not. Seriously, what is offensive about the helmet logo? It works with Warriors or Braves.

It's no less offensive than the name.

[FRPLG]

Rebels is a no go. Had a team named that in my little league 20 years ago...one of the original teams in a historic league. Had to change it because some parents decided that since the South were called the Rebels in the civil war it was offensive.

Not kidding.

[JoeRedskin]

^^ I went to junior high school (you know, before they had "Middle School") in southern Prince George's County. My school was the Roger B. Taney Junior High (Taney was the Supreme Court Chief Justice who wrote the Dredd Scott decision), the school colors were red and grey, and the mascot was the Rebels.

It is now the Thurgood Marshall Middle School and its mascot is the Tigers. Their colors are Maroon, gold and black.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Rebels is a no go. Had a team named that in my little league 20 years ago...one of the original teams in a historic league. Had to change it because some parents decided that since the South were called the Rebels in the civil war it was offensive.

Not kidding.

Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

^^ I went to junior high school (you know, before they had "Middle School") in southern Prince George's County. My school was the Roger B. Taney Junior High (Taney was the Supreme Court Chief Justice who wrote the Dredd Scott decision), the school colors were red and grey, and the mascot was the Rebels.

It is now the Thurgood Marshall Middle School and its mascot is the Tigers. Their colors are Maroon, gold and black.

I hear ya...I live in Fairfax County, and the mascot for Fairfax High School used to be the Rebels. It is now the Pride {as in a pride of lions}, and the school users the monicker "Feel our Rebel Pride" if you can believe that.

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[irish]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

Warriors is a fairly wide encompassing term. If people have a problem with that might as well just get rid of all nicknames. I'm just glad pigskins isn't in this poll.

I agree that Warriors is an encompassing term but as I recall Marquette U was called the Warriors until they were forced to change to the Golden Eagles.

[KI Skins Fan]

I don't like any of the names in the poll so I voted for Washington FC as a default.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by mooby

If they do change it, I'm going to guess and say it will be some type of gov't related name. At least until I take offense to it because anything gov't related other than "Washington Greedy Dumbasses In Charge" is unacceptable.

"Greedy Dumbasses in Charge" is a little too long. Just change it to "Crooks".

"Beltway Bandits" is another possible government-related name.

Actually, if the name is going to be government-related it should be an acronym. What about "PALS"? No one could object to the name "PALS". It would stand for "Piss on you Asshole Liberals".

[SmootSmack]

The names I selected for the polls are the ones I've heard most commonly as choices. But I replaced Pigskins with Washington FC because I think Pigskins sounds like it should be a minor league baseball or Arena Football 2 team name:

Warriors: Eh. Do we need two teams in the DC area with alliterative names?

Renegades: Not bad, can keep HTTR

Rebels: I understand the arguments against it, hadn't realized that before

Redtails: I like the history and significance

Redhawks: Is it redhawks or red hawks?

Bravehearts: No

Washington FC: Is it FC Washington or Washington FC?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Lotus

I think that Amanda Blackhorse's opposition is that the logo represents a frozen stereotype which doesn't represent most dynamic 21st century Indians. But I am just surmising this from the rest of her argument - she didn't flat out say this when I was listening. And I am not offering my agreement, just summarizing her voice.

She's gotta understand that many mascot names/logos of the NFL and other leagues represent times in history. Why does the logo have to represent the 21st century Native American? The Patriots' logo does not represent the 21st century Patriot. The Vikings logo most certainly doesn't. The 49er's mascot name represents the gold rush back in the 1800's for Pete's sake. These names are often created from a piece of this country (and that general area's) history, and doesn't have to be updated to reflect modern culture. Progressive thinking doesn't mean tossing history aside like a worn out pair of shoes.

In my opinion, I think it's great having historic names and symbols used in professional sports - especially if your children are watching the games with you. It gives you a chance to teach them about where the names came from and history itself. Because Lord knows, there are plenty special interest groups like this one who's sole purpose is to revise history and leave out parts that might "offend" someone. Please! History isn't all roses and ice-cream. Much of it is quite bloody - just like football.

Anyway, the point I'm making is that when you see the Cowboys and Redskins on the field, they are going into "battle" against each other. It's almost like going to a reenactment of a historic war battle. Most of these NFL names represent some type of warrior or solider - whether human or animal (Patriots/Bears), and most represent a specific time period. Heck, the way people keep revising history, the NFL might be the only place to get a history lesson from.

[tshile]

Originally Posted by irish

I agree that Warriors is an encompassing term but as I recall Marquette U was called the Warriors until they were forced to change to the Golden Eagles.

Yup. And the primary complaint was that the Warriors was alongside Native American imagery.

Anyone honestly suggesting Warriors as an option needs to do their homework. We'll be back in the same boat eventually, it's just a matter of time.

The people demanding the name change and suggesting Warriors as an alternative... well, it shows how much they know about the offensiveness they claim to care so much about.

[HoustonSkinsFan]

First post here: Read through this thread, and I gotta say I really appreciate the rational, level-headed discussion on such a hot-button issue. This discussion can get ugly, fast.

I fall somewhere in "camp 3;" I don't necessarily want the name to change, but I'm going to continue supporting the team if it does. I do think the team hadn't done themselves any favors with how awfully they handled this. PR disaster after PR disaster. "Chief" Dodson? Oy vey.

I see both sides of the issue, and I firmly believe there are both Native American Redskins fans (I've met a few on other boards) who love the name and take honor from it, as well as Native Americans who are very offended by what they view as a mockery of their culture.

Bottom line, it's a complex issue with no clear "right" answer; is this the first domino to removing all Native American symbolism from everything? Where do you draw the line? What happens to all the Jeep Cherokees on the road? What about our military?

There are a lot of questions this brings up. For me, I think as a society we should be focused on fixing the problems on reservations, not the name of an NFL team, but who knows?

[MTK]

How about all the towns or counties out there with Indian names, I know here in NY we have a ton, do we get rid of them too? Where does it end?