Ramsey wants to be traded (merged)

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 02:18 AM

and if Brunell rocks next week, it doesn't mean Ramsey wouldn't have either. who knows how Brunell would have played the first 15 minutes of the season against a fresh Bears defense. Ramsey did *not* remotely get a real chance this season period. the chance Brunell *lost* and Ramsey won last season.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 02:21 AM

What the hell does that mean?! What does me being 20 have to do with knowing Brunell has played 16 games twice?! I've watched Mark Brunell play and the best thing he ever did was lose one AFC Championship game when he was throwing to 2 all world wide outs, Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith.

Did you even watch Ramsey get destroyed for his first season? No, he didn't finish it, but did he whine then?

illdefined · 09-13-2005, 02:22 AM

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Originally Posted by TAFKAS

A lot of people are convinced that Ramsey would have won those games early on that Brunell lost. I'm not so sure. All that motion offense, Gibbs getting used to a 40 second playclock, etc. it was a lot for the whole team to absorb. I don't think Ramsey, as young and raw as he is, could do much better really. I'm not guaranteeing a win on Monday (though I'd love it of course) but it's too bad that so many people have already decided we've lost this upcoming game and apparently every game after that that Brunell starts.

well Brunell certainly was the one who lost them. you could directly attribute those losses to his performances.

and we're reacting because people have already decided we'd lose any game with Ramsey starting despite the actual *record*.

SmootSmack · 09-13-2005, 02:27 AM

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Originally Posted by jdlea

What the hell does that mean?! What does me being 20 have to do with knowing Brunell has played 16 games twice?! I've watched Mark Brunell play and the best thing he ever did was lose one AFC Championship game when he was throwing to 2 all world wide outs, Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith.

Well it was two AFC Championship games. And four playoff appearances in the first five years of Jacksonville's existence in the NFL. But that's not really relevant to today

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 02:28 AM

Okay, I'm sorry it was 2 and he lost them both. That was about a decade ago too, but since I'm 20 I wouldn't know nothin about that, right?

JWsleep · 09-13-2005, 02:33 AM

Questions:

1. Is brunnell really better than last year? He looked much better in preseason--everyone, on this board and elsewhere else saw it and it was much discussed. If that player shows up on Monday, then the substance, if not the style, of the move will be acceptable. We'll know soon.

2. Will Ramsey EVER learn to read NFL defenses? This is, I believe, the root of the problem. He misreads and throws INTs. Or he can't find his hot read and throws an INT. Or he he can't find anyone, and takes a sack, and maybe fumbles as well--remember, we've questioned here before whether he holds the ball too long. He does. Gibbs can see this, as can anyone else. PR makes his best throws when given LOTS of time. Then he guns it somewhere. But Ds know this and blitz. That makes things difficult. Sometimes Ramsey gets comfortable and looks good, but then he gets hit or confused, and trouble happens. I like the kid--and his good moments are a serious tease. But this is the truth. Maybe he'll get better, and I would have stuck with him, especially after naming him the starter (the REAL MISTAKE HERE, IMO). But he hasn't shown it yet. And Gibbs sees him every practice; GIbbs watches every film; Gibbs knows about QBs.

3. Can Brunnell stay healthy all year? No way, IMO. He's just too old.

4. Who plays if Brunnell goes down? For all of Gibbs mistrust of PR, I very much doubt it's Campbell. So we're gonna need PR to calm down and ease up.

5. Who is Mort's source on the claim that Pat wants to be traded? Was it Pat? His Agent? Unnamed sources in Redskin park? Very curious.

6. How will the team react? I think they'll be fine. Moss and Patten have been muted in their comments on Ramsey. Jansen is his buddy, but no way that means he plays with any less fire for Brunnell. Portis looked great with Brunnell, and has been a leader anyway.

7. How will Gibbs react if Mark plays like he did last year? Will he pull Mark and play revolving QBs? Or will he go down with the Brunnell ship, tarnishing his legacy as he goes? How will the Danny react? This is the nightmare scenario that Dr Z, Pasta, and every other anti-skin pundit have been waiting for.

Hold tight, lads. These are the times that try men's (and women's) souls.

It's always darkest before the dawn.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 02:34 AM

My bad, I think they last made the playoffs in 1999, but how he never got to the Super Bowl with Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell is beyond me.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 09-13-2005, 02:34 AM

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Originally Posted by PIG SKIN

At least he gets up after getting hit again and again and doesn't whine about it.

It's laughable that at 20 years old you can make that comment.

Wait, are we talking about Ramsey or Brunell.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 02:40 AM

What did Joe Gibbs say? What did he say? Someone asked about the QB situation he said, "Patrick's our man" and "...we're gonna try to get him some weapons." I said he lied. You said he didn't...what now?

SmootSmack · 09-13-2005, 02:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdlea

What did Joe Gibbs say? What did he say? Someone asked about the QB situation he said, "Patrick's our man" and "...we're gonna try to get him some weapons." I said he lied. You said he didn't...what now?

Who are you talking to?

Longtimefan · 09-13-2005, 02:49 AM

This sounds like the same baby tune he cried when Brunell came aboard last year. I want to be traded if I'm not the starter. Some say Gibbs does not like him, well maybe that's one of the reasons why. This guy really has an inflated oponion of himself and for the life of me I cannot understand why. He has done nothing, and proved nothing in the NFL and he's demanding a trade, (unbelievable) He may be lucky if anyone will want to trade for him. Maybe someone who wants a crybaby.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 02:49 AM

I went searching for it, but I can't find anything from around the time of the draft so I can't tell you who now. Kinda bothers me, but whatever. I'm sure no one will own up to it, but I know there were plenty of people on my case because I had the audacity to say that Joe Gibbs would lie.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 02:56 AM

One thing I can say in Mark Brunell's defense is that he has won more recently than Joe Gibbs.

SmootSmack · 09-13-2005, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jdlea

I went searching for it, but I can't find anything from around the time of the draft so I can't tell you who now. Kinda bothers me, but whatever. I'm sure no one will own up to it, but I know there were plenty of people on my case because I had the audacity to say that Joe Gibbs would lie.

I know what you're talking about and I found the thread. You're talking about Gibbs saying Patrick was our guy and we're drafting weapons to help him. Then he goes out and gets Rogers and Campbell.

jdlea · 09-13-2005, 03:00 AM

Yeah, I got ripped...now Patrick's not our guy.

09-13-2005, 02:18 AM	#226
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded and if Brunell rocks next week, it doesn't mean Ramsey wouldn't have either. who knows how Brunell would have played the first 15 minutes of the season against a fresh Bears defense. Ramsey did not remotely get a real chance this season period. the chance Brunell lost and Ramsey won last season.

09-13-2005, 02:21 AM	#227
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded What the hell does that mean?! What does me being 20 have to do with knowing Brunell has played 16 games twice?! I've watched Mark Brunell play and the best thing he ever did was lose one AFC Championship game when he was throwing to 2 all world wide outs, Keenan McCardell and Jimmy Smith. Did you even watch Ramsey get destroyed for his first season? No, he didn't finish it, but did he whine then?

09-13-2005, 02:28 AM	#230
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Okay, I'm sorry it was 2 and he lost them both. That was about a decade ago too, but since I'm 20 I wouldn't know nothin about that, right?

09-13-2005, 02:33 AM	#231
JWsleep Propane and propane accessories Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, TX Age: 55 Posts: 4,714	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Questions: 1. Is brunnell really better than last year? He looked much better in preseason--everyone, on this board and elsewhere else saw it and it was much discussed. If that player shows up on Monday, then the substance, if not the style, of the move will be acceptable. We'll know soon. 2. Will Ramsey EVER learn to read NFL defenses? This is, I believe, the root of the problem. He misreads and throws INTs. Or he can't find his hot read and throws an INT. Or he he can't find anyone, and takes a sack, and maybe fumbles as well--remember, we've questioned here before whether he holds the ball too long. He does. Gibbs can see this, as can anyone else. PR makes his best throws when given LOTS of time. Then he guns it somewhere. But Ds know this and blitz. That makes things difficult. Sometimes Ramsey gets comfortable and looks good, but then he gets hit or confused, and trouble happens. I like the kid--and his good moments are a serious tease. But this is the truth. Maybe he'll get better, and I would have stuck with him, especially after naming him the starter (the REAL MISTAKE HERE, IMO). But he hasn't shown it yet. And Gibbs sees him every practice; GIbbs watches every film; Gibbs knows about QBs. 3. Can Brunnell stay healthy all year? No way, IMO. He's just too old. 4. Who plays if Brunnell goes down? For all of Gibbs mistrust of PR, I very much doubt it's Campbell. So we're gonna need PR to calm down and ease up. 5. Who is Mort's source on the claim that Pat wants to be traded? Was it Pat? His Agent? Unnamed sources in Redskin park? Very curious. 6. How will the team react? I think they'll be fine. Moss and Patten have been muted in their comments on Ramsey. Jansen is his buddy, but no way that means he plays with any less fire for Brunnell. Portis looked great with Brunnell, and has been a leader anyway. 7. How will Gibbs react if Mark plays like he did last year? Will he pull Mark and play revolving QBs? Or will he go down with the Brunnell ship, tarnishing his legacy as he goes? How will the Danny react? This is the nightmare scenario that Dr Z, Pasta, and every other anti-skin pundit have been waiting for. Hold tight, lads. These are the times that try men's (and women's) souls. It's always darkest before the dawn. __________________ Hail from Houston!

09-13-2005, 02:34 AM	#232
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded My bad, I think they last made the playoffs in 1999, but how he never got to the Super Bowl with Fred Taylor, Jimmy Smith and Keenan McCardell is beyond me.

09-13-2005, 02:40 AM	#234
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded What did Joe Gibbs say? What did he say? Someone asked about the QB situation he said, "Patrick's our man" and "...we're gonna try to get him some weapons." I said he lied. You said he didn't...what now?

09-13-2005, 02:49 AM	#236
Longtimefan Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Germantown, Md. Posts: 4,832	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded This sounds like the same baby tune he cried when Brunell came aboard last year. I want to be traded if I'm not the starter. Some say Gibbs does not like him, well maybe that's one of the reasons why. This guy really has an inflated oponion of himself and for the life of me I cannot understand why. He has done nothing, and proved nothing in the NFL and he's demanding a trade, (unbelievable) He may be lucky if anyone will want to trade for him. Maybe someone who wants a crybaby.

09-13-2005, 02:49 AM	#237
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded I went searching for it, but I can't find anything from around the time of the draft so I can't tell you who now. Kinda bothers me, but whatever. I'm sure no one will own up to it, but I know there were plenty of people on my case because I had the audacity to say that Joe Gibbs would lie.

09-13-2005, 02:56 AM	#238
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded One thing I can say in Mark Brunell's defense is that he has won more recently than Joe Gibbs.

09-13-2005, 03:00 AM	#240
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	Re: Ramsey wants to be traded Yeah, I got ripped...now Patrick's not our guy.

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