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[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

He was first round pick so they gain a 4th rounder thats about it.

Well, and, y'know, the six years he played in New York. Thats worth...something.

[That Guy]

meh. no gauranteed money is nice, but a 1st and 3rd for the honor of handing revis 96mill would make me uneasy.

i'd say good on the jets. revis is a headache, and even though you won't replace him with those picks, the extra money (and comp picks) will make the team a lot more flexible.

[Alvin Walton]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

2013 NFL Draft: 50 essential, eccentric*facts | Audibles - SI.com

Umm theres a guy in this draft who is 6-10 and weighs 388lbs...wow

Another factoid....

1963 was the last draft that saw no running backs picked in Round 1 — a streak that could end next week. The first RB off the board in ’63 was Don Lisbon, in Round 3.

[GTripp0012]

It's a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams. Tampa gets really good, really fast, and didn't have to get married to Revis in terms of contract or draft value. The Jets get one of the most valuable assets in the NFL (a first round pick) at the point when its most valuable (week of the draft, GMs first season in town), and gives Izdek enough ammo over the next two years to rebuild the Jets.

This doesn't mean the Jets are ever going to be as good without Revis as they were with him (in fact, I'd probably bet against it), but given where they were in terms of roster and cap, they needed the opportunity.

The Bucs are probably on a shortlist of top NFC teams right now. They're right where they need to be in the NFC South...whether you'd take them over the Falcons isn't really an important thing to decide in April.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams. Tampa gets really good, really fast, and didn't have to get married to Revis in terms of contract or draft value. The Jets get one of the most valuable assets in the NFL (a first round pick) at the point when its most valuable (week of the draft, GMs first season in town), and gives Izdek enough ammo over the next two years to rebuild the Jets.

This doesn't mean the Jets are ever going to be as good without Revis as they were with him (in fact, I'd probably bet against it), but given where they were in terms of roster and cap, they needed the opportunity.

The Bucs are probably on a shortlist of top NFC teams right now. They're right where they need to be in the NFC South...whether you'd take them over the Falcons isn't really an important thing to decide in April.

Freeman still makes them avg. He's just not that good IMO. I do agree about the team being overall better but NO is still better and so is ATL. Both of those teams have way better offenses and obviously QBs. Carolina could be better as well.

Seattle
SF
Washington
NyG
Gb

ARE all better than TB

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

It's a trade that makes a lot of sense for both teams. Tampa gets really good, really fast, and didn't have to get married to Revis in terms of contract or draft value. The Jets get one of the most valuable assets in the NFL (a first round pick) at the point when its most valuable (week of the draft, GMs first season in town), and gives Izdek enough ammo over the next two years to rebuild the Jets.

This doesn't mean the Jets are ever going to be as good without Revis as they were with him (in fact, I'd probably bet against it), but given where they were in terms of roster and cap, they needed the opportunity.

The Bucs are probably on a shortlist of top NFC teams right now. They're right where they need to be in the NFC South...whether you'd take them over the Falcons isn't really an important thing to decide in April.

Well I'd say this, Bucs gotta lot more to prove on the field than the Falcons.

Let's remember how they ended the season last year (1-5), alot more questions than answers. I wouldnt move them ahead of the Saints nor the Falcons in that division.

In regards to the trade, makes sense for both sides and like it for both. Revis is still the best corner in the league. I certainly dont think it produces 3-5 wins for Tampa automatically.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Well I'd say this, Bucs gotta lot more to prove on the field than the Falcons.

Let's remember how they ended the season last year (1-5), alot more questions than answers. I wouldnt move them ahead of the Saints nor the Falcons in that division.

In regards to the trade, makes sense for both sides and like it for both. Revis is still the best corner in the league. I certainly dont think it produces 3-5 wins for Tampa automatically.

I think the Saints (and Panthers) are a sub-.500 team at this point, so that is what is.

And the Falcons have a ton to prove as well. You can't take last years wins away from them, but you can point out that their point differential wasn't all that and they weren't particularly competitive in the playoffs last year after putting up a quick 20 points on the Seahawks.

The Bucs are still a huge projection at this point, but they have a ton of continuity on their roster: beyond Revis and Goldson, they changed practically nothing from last season. The NFC South is not a division of world beaters. I don't think they'd be ahead of the Falcons in a set of power rankings done today, but midseason power rankings are way more important all things considered.

I'd expect the Falcons to respond to this with an aggressive move up in the draft for a defensive player with an elite rating (Jordan or Milliner).

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Freeman still makes them avg. He's just not that good IMO. I do agree about the team being overall better but NO is still better and so is ATL. Both of those teams have way better offenses and obviously QBs. Carolina could be better as well.

Seattle
SF
Washington
NyG
Gb

ARE all better than TB

I probably wouldn't agree about the NFC East teams being better. I think we're the best team (both present and in terms of future potential) in a weak division. When RG3 is back, healthy, and throwing it around, the Redskins will have a better case as NFC favorites.

Freeman's the huge question mark on that team right now, but he was also the NFL's most improved player last year (from 2011), so maybe there's more upside there. And I think you said Flacco was average at this time last year...and all he did was spend 16 regular season games proving you right. It might work out in spite of Josh Freeman.

New Orleans is just not good right now. That team is Brees, Graham, Jenkins, and a lot of over the hill guys (which may include Brees at this point, to be honest).

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

2013 NFL Draft: Mike Mayock's top 100 prospects - NFL.com

Jez, I know its been said thousands of times already, but this draft really is talented into the 3rd-4th rounds. Barrett Jones, a 2 time All American OLineman and 3 time national championship winner, is the "91st" best prospect in this draft to Mike Mayock..wow. Just shows you some of the talent.

I keep forgetting about RG3's teammate Terrence Williams at Baylor. He is another 2nd rounder we could get should Hunter not be there, and assuming we really do address the offense first.

[CultBrennan59]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Freeman still makes them avg. He's just not that good IMO. I do agree about the team being overall better but NO is still better and so is ATL. Both of those teams have way better offenses and obviously QBs. Carolina could be better as well.

Seattle
SF
Washington
NyG
Gb

ARE all better than TB

As good as Revis is, its still a QB driven league. Freeman decides how great the bucs will be, not Revis. The Bucs are still not a playoff team in my eyes.

the Jets on the other hand, should they get a good QB like Geno, could benefit a lot from this trade.

[Chico23231]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I think the Saints (and Panthers) are a sub-.500 team at this point, so that is what is.

And the Falcons have a ton to prove as well. You can't take last years wins away from them, but you can point out that their point differential wasn't all that and they weren't particularly competitive in the playoffs last year after putting up a quick 20 points on the Seahawks.

The Bucs are still a huge projection at this point, but they have a ton of continuity on their roster: beyond Revis and Goldson, they changed practically nothing from last season. The NFC South is not a division of world beaters. I don't think they'd be ahead of the Falcons in a set of power rankings done today, but midseason power rankings are way more important all things considered.

I'd expect the Falcons to respond to this with an aggressive move up in the draft for a defensive player with an elite rating (Jordan or Milliner).

Yeah I believe the entire NFC South has alot to prove this year. But one thing you cant underestimate is Sean Payton + Drew Brees reunited again. Whew I tell you what, I can see the chip on Sean Payton shoulder from right here in Richmond. Its huge.

[CultBrennan59]

Updated, and FINAL mock

1. KC Eric Fisher-they supposedly like him more
2. Jax Luke Joeckel- they like him and need a lineman to protect their awful QB
3. Oakland Shariff Floyd- they need a pass rusher, and a DT, he's both.
4. Philly Dion Jordan- Chip Kelly will probably get someone he is familiar with and they're changing to a 3-4 which is where I think Dion should play. I really contemplated Eric Fisher here.
5. Detroit Dee Milliner- depends on if they like him more or Lane Johnson.
6. TRADE San Diego Lane Johnson -Cleveland trades because their guy Milliner wasn't there
7. Arizona Johnathan Cooper- A guard, SEXY..no but seriously their OL sucked all year. Makes the most sense to get the best OLineman available.
8. Buffalo Ziggy Ansah- Again, they need a lot.
9. New York Geno Smith- Sanchez sucks, So does this QB class, but even Genos better
10. Tennessee Chance Warmack- they need a guard that can go against JJ 2 times a year.
11. Cleveland Tavon Austin- Sorry Tavon, a great talent goes to a bad team.
12. Miami Sheldon Richardson- I was between him and Lotulelei, Sheldon doesn't have the heart red flag and is more battle tested in the SEC.
13. Jets Brakevious Mingo- Rex loves pass rushers and here is the best one available.
14. Carolina Star Lotulelei- They need a good DT here he is.
15. New Orleans Jarvis Jones- They're changing to a 3-4 heres an OLB from the SEC.
16. St. Louis Kenny Vaccaro- they cut Mikell, so heres their new FS.
17. Pittsburgh Cordarrelle Patterson- they need a lot, BPA of need is a WR who is physical and can make plays.
18. Dallas Johnathan Cyprien- They need a safety, he can play both positions. Jerry supposedly loves him; another surprise.
19. New York Giants Tank Carradine- He's supposedly ranked higher now than Werner.
20. Chicago Arthur Brown- they need an MLB to replace Urlacher. I was between Te'o, brown and Ogletree. Browns the least controversial of the 3.
21. Cincinnati Alec Ogletree- athletic MLB to replace Maualuga or can play OLB should Burfict move there.
22. St. Louis DeAndre Hopkins- They need a WR, he's a big play WR
23. Minnesota Manti Te'o- they need a MLB. Te'o fits well in that locker room and division.
24. Indy Jesse Williams- he can play DE and NT, I think they choose him over Datone Jones a DE
25. Minnesota Desmond Trufant- they need a CB to replace Winfield
26. Green Bay Datone Jones- a pass rushing DE to create pressure opposite Matthews.
27. Houston Keenan Allen- its between him and Minter; offense is getting old and one demensional.
28. Denver Slyvester Williams- they need a MLB, DT, DE, CB, S. Heres the BPA of need.
29. New England Bjoern Werner- just sounds like a patriots pick.
30. Atlanta Tyler Eifert- Heres Tony Gonzalezs replacement
31. San Francisco Zach Ertz- Jim Harbaugh supposedly loves Ertz and they lost Delanie Walker.
32. Baltimore Kevin Minter- amazing how all these great players of need falls to Baltimore. Lose Ray Lewis and Dannell Ellerbe; get McClain and Minter. (Could easily see a trade occuring here though for a QB needy team that wants to pay guaranteed money and years to a QB)

[artmonkforhallofamein07]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Freeman still makes them avg. He's just not that good IMO. I do agree about the team being overall better but NO is still better and so is ATL. Both of those teams have way better offenses and obviously QBs. Carolina could be better as well.

Seattle
SF
Washington
NyG
Gb

ARE all better than TB

I would add ATL and no to that. Even chi

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Chico23231

Yeah I believe the entire NFC South has alot to prove this year. But one thing you cant underestimate is Sean Payton + Drew Brees reunited again. Whew I tell you what, I can see the chip on Sean Payton shoulder from right here in Richmond. Its huge.

Sean Payton is awesome, no doubt. But if the Saints are going to be a playoff team, they're going to have to get better every week during the season, because they're far from a strong team at the moment.

The Bucs would probably be a lot closer in the eyes of many. It's a long season though.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by CultBrennan59

As good as Revis is, its still a QB driven league. Freeman decides how great the bucs will be, not Revis. The Bucs are still not a playoff team in my eyes.

the Jets on the other hand, should they get a good QB like Geno, could benefit a lot from this trade.

But throws Revis will make up a significant portion of Matt Ryan and Drew Brees' stats next year.