Pro Football Hall of Fame releases list of possible 2006 Inductees

[BrudLee]

http://www.profootballhof.com/enshri...elease_id=1791

Once again, Art Monk has made the list of potential Hall of Famers. He is joined by other former Redskins, such as Gary Clark, Russ Grimm, Irving Fryar, Ken Harvey, Charles Mann, Joe Jacoby, Dexter Manley, and other players who spent parts of their careers with the team.

As many of you are aware, we sponsor an online petition to support Art's induction into the Hall of Fame. The link is here. I urge those of you who have not signed the petition to do so, and encourage your friends and family to do likewise. It seems each year the malcontent voices of football experts rise up to tell how pedestrian a player Art Monk was - it's time we shouted back.

Thank you,

Brud Lee

[mooby]

i've already signed the petition, but if i sign it again, will it help? hopefully we get some peeps in there this year.

[BrudLee]

Originally Posted by mooby

i've already signed the petition, but if i sign it again, will it help? hopefully we get some peeps in there this year.

I erase the duplicate signatures. My plan is to send the petition off to Peter King, Dr. Z, and the loud naysayers to remind them that theirs isn't the only criteria that matters. If there are a bunch of duplicates, or "Mickey Mouse" signatures, it doesn't really help the cause.

[Skins fan 44]

What a list. It looks like it could be a cowturd class with Aikman, Johnson, and Irvin. I will just puke if that happens.

[BDBohnzie]

Let's look at the first year eligibles:

Troy Aikman (because of the Super Bowls, he's in)
Bruce Armstrong
Ben Coates (HA!)
Dermonti Dawson
Irving Fryar
Cortez Kennedy
Warren Moon (I'm almost thinking lock)
Andre Reed
Clyde Simmons
Neil Smith
Thurman Thomas
Jessie Tuggle
Reggie White (i'm thinking lock)

Out of this group, I'd say Aikman, Moon and White first ballot, Dawson and Armstrong possibly in the future, and Thurman Thomas is a maybe.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by BDBohnzie

Let's look at the first year eligibles:

Troy Aikman (because of the Super Bowls, he's in)
Bruce Armstrong
Ben Coates (HA!)
Dermonti Dawson
Irving Fryar
Cortez Kennedy
Warren Moon (I'm almost thinking lock)
Andre Reed
Clyde Simmons
Neil Smith
Thurman Thomas
Jessie Tuggle
Reggie White (i'm thinking lock)

Out of this group, I'd say Aikman, Moon and White first ballot, Dawson and Armstrong possibly in the future, and Thurman Thomas is a maybe.

The two lead pipe locks here are Aikman and White.

You can make a case for most of the others, but none of them look to be first ballot guys.

[onlydarksets]

I like that Monk's picture is front and center at the top!

[Hog1]

It's a list of some GREAT Redskins. It would be great to see them inducted. Harold Carmichael........Watching Pat Fischer wrap himself around him like some............rabid ferret takes me back! Cool

[RDSKNZ]

I have no problem with Aikman making it. The thing that will piss me off is if Irvin makes it before Monk. Monk leads Irvin in all stats except yards per catch and you can attribute that to how they were used. I was sick when I learned Irvin made it farther in the voting last year than Monk. You can attribute that to Irvin's mouth and the fact that he is an announcer. Monk by far has more class than Irvin and deserves to be in the HOF before Irvin(who was repeatedly in trouble off the field). Thanks for starting the petition I hope it makes a difference and puts him over the top.

[aehs77]

Andre Reed was also a redskin for a year or two

[BrudLee]

I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.

This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.

This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.

You sort of bring up an interesting point about Aikman. Aikman was efficient, not necessarily a star. His teams usually had the lead going into the final quarter so he never really had to dig deep and pull out some miraculous comeback, a la Elway. So should that be held against him?

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.

This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.

I agree, if any QB deserves to make it this year it should be Moon. Look at his stats, he was a great QB on shity teams.

Passing Attempts: 6823
Passing Comp: 3988
Comp %: 58.4%
Passing Yards: 49325
Passing TD: 291

For each catagory this is where he is ranked among the others.
Passing Attempts: 4th, only Favre, Elway, Marino ahead of him
Passing Comp: 4th, with the same 3 ahead of him
Passing Yards: 4th, with the same 3 ahead of him
Passing TD: 5th, with the same 3 ahead of him plus Tarkenton

So if you look at the company he is with, he is more than deserving of a 1st time ballot to make the HOF.

All of my information was taken from this web site:
http://www.pro-football-reference.co...s/MoonWa00.htm
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/misc/ptd.htm

[5RINGS]

Originally Posted by BrudLee

I believe Aikman is a Hall of Fame player, but a QB who holds no records, never dominated statistically, and was surrounded by as much talent as he was isn't a "lead pipe lock" for the Hall on his first ballot.

This isn't a "Slam Aikman" feeling - he plays an overvalued position, and while he was very good at it, I don't know that he was dominant in his era at the position. He should and will be inducted, but he's no slam dunk.

It is as you say, QB is a very public and overvalued position. Nevertheless, the offensive leader of a true dynasty (no free agancy crap ala the patriots) with three rings - one SB MVP - who we still see every week on TV, (and isn't making an a$$ of himself like Irvin) is getting in first ballot slam dunk, thanks for coming, who do we vote on next?

Monk should be in as should Irvin. I don't wanna throw the race card in but.....

I don't want to get into the HOF argument, cause there are a lot of people who think that with 5 rings, the Cowboys should have more players in the Hall. I don't know.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by 5RINGS

It is as you say, QB is a very public and overvalued position. Nevertheless, the offensive leader of a true dynasty (no free agancy crap ala the patriots) with three rings - one SB MVP - who we still see every week on TV, (and isn't making an a$$ of himself like Irvin) is getting in first ballot slam dunk, thanks for coming, who do we vote on next?

Monk should be in as should Irvin. I don't wanna throw the race card in but.....

I don't want to get into the HOF argument, cause there are a lot of people who think that with 5 rings, the Cowboys should have more players in the Hall. I don't know.

Thats right you don't know...