Hypocrisy among HOF voters

BrudLee · 08-05-2005, 02:07 PM

In Dr. Z's latest SI.com article, he lists current players who make it to the Hall of Fame. Please note that he, along with Peter King of SI, has been a vocal Monk-basher when the vote comes around.

Here are some "Sure Things":

Quote:

Marvin Harrison -- Huge numbers will bring him in.

Curtis Martin and Jerome Bettis -- Nos. 4 and 5, respectively, on the career rushing list.

Marshall Faulk -- No. 12, but fourth in total yards from scrimmage (rushing and pass catching).

Aeneas Williams and Derrick Brooks -- Long and meritorious service at corner and outside linebacker, respectively.

Please note that Monk has been excoriated because "numbers aren't everything", and "a long career isn't necessarily a great one".

I'm not trying to debate the merits of the players he's listed, but for Christ's sake! Be consistent in your arguments!

Redskins8588 · 08-05-2005, 02:13 PM

What huge numbers for Harrison? He is still 1,536 yard behind Monk. He is still 95 catches behind Monk. Yes, both of those are attainable yet in his career, but as of now he is still behind our beloved Art Monk...

EternalEnigma21 · 08-05-2005, 03:05 PM

and monk didn't have a qb like peyton manning.

FRPLG · 08-05-2005, 03:08 PM

Hines Ward? You're kidding right?
Curtis Martin? Isn't he the Art Monk of RBs?
What a joke this list is.

BrudLee · 08-05-2005, 03:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FRPLG

Hines Ward? You're kidding right?
Curtis Martin? Isn't he the Art Monk of RBs?
What a joke this list is.

The difference is, Curtis Martin played in New York. That makes him better than you or I will ever be. For God's sake, he's got Pennington as a maybe!!!

And again, I'm not saying any of the players listed will or won't make the Hall. I'm sure reasoned arguments could be made for all of them - and he definitely left players off the list (Tony Gonzales is as close to a lock as anyone playing). My beef is that he is glorifying today's players using the same criteria that he keeps Art out of the Hall with.

FRPLG · 08-05-2005, 05:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BrudLee

And again, I'm not saying any of the players listed will or won't make the Hall. I'm sure reasoned arguments could be made for all of them - and he definitely left players off the list (Tony Gonzales is as close to a lock as anyone playing). My beef is that he is glorifying today's players using the same criteria that he keeps Art out of the Hall with.

I give this post 5 *s. I couldn't agree more.

EternalEnigma21 · 08-05-2005, 03:23 PM

Yeah... I definately don't get the pennington metion... maybe he realizes that it IS a privelege to cover the jets.

whiney little bitch.

gortiz · 08-05-2005, 03:26 PM

I think those scumbags (Z and King) have a thing against Monk. Maybe its cause he wan't accesible to the media, or lound and flashy. At one point he was the all-time leader in catches - on a predominatley running offense, how can you deny that.

Monk's record of 106 catches stood for over 10 years and in the decade of the 80's there wasn't one WR with over a 100 catches besides Monk. In the 90's alone there were 23 WRs with over a 100 catches!!

what in the hell does that tell you?? If Art played in his prime in the pass happy 90's he would have over 1500 catches! You have to figure that in voting for him, he was ahead of his time! He also had a ton of different QB's throwing to him, imagine if Monk had Montana, Young, Kelly, or at best one QB throwing to him for his career! fugetaboutit!

dblanch66 · 08-05-2005, 03:38 PM

Hines Ward????????????????
Give me a fucking break!
I have always said that King and this Z dude are a couple of true douche bags. Probably closet cowpie fans.

SmootSmack · 08-05-2005, 03:40 PM

"Aeneas Williams and Derrick Brooks -- Long and meritorious service at corner and outside linebacker, respectively."

Art Monk--Long and meritorious service at wide receiver

Like Brud said, the lack of consistency is infuriating

MTK · 08-05-2005, 03:50 PM

Hines Ward yet no respect for Monk?

I give up.

Schneed10 · 08-05-2005, 03:59 PM

Guys, drop a note in his mailbag regarding a Hines Ward to Art Monk comparison. I want to see him try to justify this one.

If enough people drop him a note, he just might address it next time.

That's just ludicrous.

FRPLG · 08-05-2005, 05:58 PM

I am telling you all Monk and Martin are the same deal. Think about it. What are the arguments against Monk? He wasn't the best WR in the league at the time, he was maybe top 5. He wasn't FEARED. Martin is the same deal. At no time in his career has he been considered the best RB in the league or even close. He isn't feared like others are. Heck for a significant portion of this career he was taken out in goaline situations. And this guy deserves a "sure thing" while Monk deserves nothing? What a complete laod of crap!

steveo395 · 08-05-2005, 06:11 PM

On NFL Live today, they were saying that Monk should be in

Monk-Fan · 08-05-2005, 07:26 PM

It is comforting to know that there are common sense people out there like my fellow Redskin fans. I thought i would be the only one that saw that Hines Ward thing. Dont get me wrong i like Wards game it reminds me of a Monk. He is the Rock of the recievers corps, tough, gets the job done yet is quit, humble, and just wants to win. Does that sound like anyone you guys know? Let me give you a hint- #81

08-05-2005, 02:13 PM	#2
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters What huge numbers for Harrison? He is still 1,536 yard behind Monk. He is still 95 catches behind Monk. Yes, both of those are attainable yet in his career, but as of now he is still behind our beloved Art Monk... __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

08-05-2005, 03:05 PM	#3
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters and monk didn't have a qb like peyton manning.

08-05-2005, 03:08 PM	#4
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters Hines Ward? You're kidding right? Curtis Martin? Isn't he the Art Monk of RBs? What a joke this list is.

08-05-2005, 03:23 PM	#7
EternalEnigma21 Assistant Regional Mod Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Carbondale CO Age: 44 Posts: 2,958	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters Yeah... I definately don't get the pennington metion... maybe he realizes that it IS a privelege to cover the jets. whiney little bitch.

08-05-2005, 03:38 PM	#9
dblanch66 The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Phoenix, AZ Age: 58 Posts: 1,176	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters Hines Ward???????????????? Give me a fucking break! I have always said that King and this Z dude are a couple of true douche bags. Probably closet cowpie fans.

08-05-2005, 03:26 PM	#8
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters I think those scumbags (Z and King) have a thing against Monk. Maybe its cause he wan't accesible to the media, or lound and flashy. At one point he was the all-time leader in catches - on a predominatley running offense, how can you deny that. Monk's record of 106 catches stood for over 10 years and in the decade of the 80's there wasn't one WR with over a 100 catches besides Monk. In the 90's alone there were 23 WRs with over a 100 catches!! what in the hell does that tell you?? If Art played in his prime in the pass happy 90's he would have over 1500 catches! You have to figure that in voting for him, he was ahead of his time! He also had a ton of different QB's throwing to him, imagine if Monk had Montana, Young, Kelly, or at best one QB throwing to him for his career! fugetaboutit!

08-05-2005, 03:40 PM	#10
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters "Aeneas Williams and Derrick Brooks -- Long and meritorious service at corner and outside linebacker, respectively." Art Monk--Long and meritorious service at wide receiver Like Brud said, the lack of consistency is infuriating __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-05-2005, 03:50 PM	#11
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,544	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters Hines Ward yet no respect for Monk? I give up. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

08-05-2005, 03:59 PM	#12
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,423	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters Guys, drop a note in his mailbag regarding a Hines Ward to Art Monk comparison. I want to see him try to justify this one. If enough people drop him a note, he just might address it next time. That's just ludicrous.

08-05-2005, 05:58 PM	#13
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters I am telling you all Monk and Martin are the same deal. Think about it. What are the arguments against Monk? He wasn't the best WR in the league at the time, he was maybe top 5. He wasn't FEARED. Martin is the same deal. At no time in his career has he been considered the best RB in the league or even close. He isn't feared like others are. Heck for a significant portion of this career he was taken out in goaline situations. And this guy deserves a "sure thing" while Monk deserves nothing? What a complete laod of crap!

08-05-2005, 06:11 PM	#14
steveo395 The Starter Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: New Jersey Posts: 1,674	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters On NFL Live today, they were saying that Monk should be in

08-05-2005, 07:26 PM	#15
Monk-Fan Special Teams Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Abilene, Texas Posts: 151	Re: Hypocrisy among HOF voters It is comforting to know that there are common sense people out there like my fellow Redskin fans. I thought i would be the only one that saw that Hines Ward thing. Dont get me wrong i like Wards game it reminds me of a Monk. He is the Rock of the recievers corps, tough, gets the job done yet is quit, humble, and just wants to win. Does that sound like anyone you guys know? Let me give you a hint- #81

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