The Jay Gruden thread.

[skinsfaninok]

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/28/wa...fseason-roster

It's been 4 years, how would you grade Jay in that time frame?

23-28-1 record.

I am sold on the guy and hope he is here for a LONG time, he's a damn good coach that is only going to get better.

He has turned this team into a competitor every season.

[CRedskinsRule]

I think he will be a winning coach but never a SB winning coach. Still I would roll with him for another 4 years regardless of the KC resolution

[mooby]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think he will be a winning coach but never a SB winning coach. Still I would roll with him for another 4 years regardless of the KC resolution

I agree with this. I could see this being a real possibility, however I'd love to be proven wrong on that.

Still he's an upgrade in an area where we've tried many solutions and all have failed. So I'm thankful for that. After the start we've had this year I'm happy to give him credit for progress made. I also think this year gives us yet another example of preseason results meaning very little when it counts.

I also see the improvements we've made on the field and the weight he's dropped in the offseason as signs that he wants to be taken seriously. I'm trying to tread a fine line here because I'm not saying he needs to be in shape for players or coaches to take him seriously, but the weight he's dropped tells me that he's trying to practice what he preaches, which is never a bad thing. How can you emphasize how important being in game shape is when you are also out-of-shape?

[punch it in]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I think he will be a winning coach but never a SB winning coach. Still I would roll with him for another 4 years regardless of the KC resolution

There have been several coaches who fell into the "winning coach" category who have won superbowls. Has way too much to do with the hand u r dealt to label a coach a "super bowl winning " coach imo. Most coaches in the hall
Of fame have a handful of players there with them. Do I think Jay is a hof'er - not even close. Lol. Do i think he can win a superbowl. Of course. We need a RB and a few more pieces before I think we are there. That being said, from what I have seen over the last couple weeks in this league it's anybody's for the taking right now. Who is going to stay healthy enough and motivated enough ? Who is gonna get some lucky bounces, tips, and calls along the way? We will find out.

[kct1975]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

https://www.si.com/nfl/2017/09/28/wa...fseason-roster

It's been 4 years, how would you grade Jay in that time frame?

23-28-1 record.

I am sold on the guy and hope he is here for a LONG time, he's a damn good coach that is only going to get better.

He has turned this team into a competitor every season.

Personally I agree with everything you said!

While I admit that he isn't as good a coach as his brother Jon, Jay has done a wonderful job with the players he has been given.

And I agree too that he is he has turned the Redskins into a fairly consistent winner or at least a contender.

Even the 'haters' have to say that Jay has at least made the Redskins consistently Revlant.

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[WillH]

Originally Posted by kct1975

Personally I agree with everything you said!

While I admit that he isn't as good a coach as his brother Jon, Jay has done a wonderful job with the players he has been given.

And I agree too that he is he has turned the Redskins into a fairly consistent winner or at least a contender.

Even the 'haters' have to say that Jay has at least made the Redskins consistently Revlant.

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Im not sure that it's a definite thing that Jon is better. He had some ups and downs in his career, and his only Super Bowl was in his first year with Tampa in which you can't really credit him with building that team (even Jon credited Dungy after the Super Bowl), and they came back to earth next year after losing a lot of their stars. After that, he never made it past Wild Card.

Certainly after 4 years he had a better record with the Raiders than Jay will after this year, but if it is a good season it won't be by much, and when you consider what he inherited (dysfunction and RG3), can you really count the 4-12 record from his first season?

All I'm saying is the jury is still out on that...

I'm very pro-Jay. My fandom began in the Norv Turner years, and the only thing close to the same level of professionalism, team building, and coaching acumen that we've had here was Gibbs 2.0. Even when he first came back it was known that it was a stopgap. Now we have a coach that could be here for 10+ years. The way this season is starting out, they may be the best they've been since Gibbs 1.0. This is a very exciting time for this franchise.



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[kct1975]

Originally Posted by WillH

Im not sure that it's a definite thing that Jon is better. He had some ups and downs in his career, and his only Super Bowl was in his first year with Tampa in which you can't really credit him with building that team (even Jon credited Dungy after the Super Bowl), and they came back to earth next year after losing a lot of their stars. After that, he never made it past Wild Card.

Certainly after 4 years he had a better record with the Raiders than Jay will after this year, but if it is a good season it won't be by much, and when you consider what he inherited (dysfunction and RG3), can you really count the 4-12 record from his first season?

All I'm saying is the jury is still out on that...

I'm very pro-Jay. My fandom began in the Norv Turner years, and the only thing close to the same level of professionalism, team building, and coaching acumen that we've had here was Gibbs 2.0. Even when he first came back it was known that it was a stopgap. Now we have a coach that could be here for 10+ years. The way this season is starting out, they may be the best they've been since Gibbs 1.0. This is a very exciting time for this franchise.



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Very Good Assessment!

Personally, however, I am one of the 'Veterans' that remember the Glory of the Gibbs 1.0 years. So anything after that is a tall order.

As for the comparison between Jon and Jay, my only minor complaint with Jay is that is does seem, at times, to try to be too much of a Players Coach.

Just my personal opinion...Jay needs to be a bit tougher on the players.

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[WillH]

Originally Posted by kct1975

Very Good Assessment!

Personally, however, I am one of the 'Veterans' that remember the Glory of the Gibbs 1.0 years. So anything after that is a tall order.

As for the comparison between Jon and Jay, my only minor complaint with Jay is that is does seem, at times, to try to be too much of a Players Coach.

Just my personal opinion...Jay needs to be a bit tougher on the players.

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Yeah, I hear that a lot. That he's too soft on players, but I don't see it...

I will say he has a laid back demeanor. He's not "Chucky," but what Redskins coach has been more critical of their players?

He called out RG3

Matt Jones . . . You fumble and don't improve year over year, you are cut in favor of Mack Brown.

Doctson. You don't practice you don't play.

Sua - figure your shit out . . . Next man up.

He blew up a D line that had some talent but wasn't performing. . . How's that working out?

Compton is a coach favorite, but with two more talented players he's become backup, and even Spaight is getting playing time over him.

Anyways, I respect your perspective and like I said, he doesn't have that fire on the sidelines, but do you have any examples of him being easy on his players?



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[calia]

Originally Posted by WillH

Yeah, I hear that a lot. That he's too soft on players, but I don't see it...

I will say he has a laid back demeanor. He's not "Chucky," but what Redskins coach has been more critical of their players?

He called out RG3

Matt Jones . . . You fumble and don't improve year over year, you are cut in favor of Mack Brown.

Doctson. You don't practice you don't play.

Sua - figure your shit out . . . Next man up.

He blew up a D line that had some talent but wasn't performing. . . How's that working out?

Compton is a coach favorite, but with two more talented players he's become backup, and even Spaight is getting playing time over him.

Anyways, I respect your perspective and like I said, he doesn't have that fire on the sidelines, but do you have any examples of him being easy on his players?



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Good assessment. He sees the team as a meritocracy in the best sense of the word. He's not a sentimental guy; he wants results. And he also values leadership and hard work (hence, his tendency to be pretty patient with folks who seem to be working hard and have ability -- e.g., Ryan Grant).

Personally, I like the fact that he seems like a straight shooter and that he tends to be pretty succinct with his responses (but not monosyllabic or disdainful in an evasive Bellichick-speak kind of way). I also like the fact that he seems to have a sense of humor and isn't afraid to show it here and there.

Moreover, his hires of Tomsula, Callahan, Gray, and Manusky seem very solid and so he seems to have a knack for surrounding himself with some good people. (I am still smiling over the images of Tomsula stalking the sidelines during the Raiders game.)

I'm cool with Jay Gruden as coach. He seems like a genuinely good guy and I think the players play hard for him and each other.

[Kope]

Originally Posted by WillH

Yeah, I hear that a lot. That he's too soft on players, but I don't see it...

I will say he has a laid back demeanor. He's not "Chucky," but what Redskins coach has been more critical of their players?

He called out RG3

Matt Jones . . . You fumble and don't improve year over year, you are cut in favor of Mack Brown.

Doctson. You don't practice you don't play.

Sua - figure your shit out . . . Next man up.

He blew up a D line that had some talent but wasn't performing. . . How's that working out?

Compton is a coach favorite, but with two more talented players he's become backup, and even Spaight is getting playing time over him.

Anyways, I respect your perspective and like I said, he doesn't have that fire on the sidelines, but do you have any examples of him being easy on his players?



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This.

One more point. He has shown he has a set to ownership and the FO .... without breaking rapport. Only Joe Gibbs managed that. Jay has no "Me Ego" Jay is all "Team Ego".

Keep Jay.

[rocnrik]

PRO JAY!!!!! We could do a lot worse!

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

PRO JAY!!!!! We could do a lot worse!

From the guy who called 0-4?

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

From the guy who called 0-4?

Yep I called it..tired of having expectations only to crash and burn! We looked like crap in pre season..looked not good against Philly,Won in a shoot out vs rams,Beat a over rated Raiders and lost on road vs Chiefs..so I still don't say we are great only vastly improved. the effort is there. WE could have lost the rams game..we could have won the chiefs game. We will see.

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by rocnrik

Yep I called it..tired of having expectations only to crash and burn! We looked like crap in pre season..looked not good against Philly,Won in a shoot out vs rams,Beat a over rated Raiders and lost on road vs Chiefs..so I still don't say we are great only vastly improved. the effort is there. WE could have lost the rams game..we could have won the chiefs game. We will see.

My comment was more so how do you call us to go 0-4, after 3 years of Jay's head coaching, and then say you are Pro Jay Gruden?

Now I get that we exceeded your expectations so far, but it seems like based on your expectations for the season you should be solidly for a different HC.

[rocnrik]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

My comment was more so how do you call us to go 0-4, after 3 years of Jay's head coaching, and then say you are Pro Jay Gruden?

Now I get that we exceeded your expectations so far, but it seems like based on your expectations for the season you should be solidly for a different HC.

My only fear is A complete overhaul..which would mean Cousins leaves,Gruden gone..we start all over and with Snyder in charge we could do a lot worse than Gruden..Cousins is somewhat tied to Jay. and with Goff playing good the rams won't go after cousins..maybe 49ers? so for at least this week I am Pro Gruden ..but i have been known to change....LOL