Hall In, Taylor Out??

[Tahoe Skin]

Does anyone get the impression that we signed Cory Hall because either (1) the Skins know Sean Taylor may not be showing up for mandatory camp, and/or (2) the Skins are taking their first step to eventually unloading Sean Taylor? After all, Taylor's been downright rude to Gibbs, is obviously not the Redskin "character-type" that Gibbs likes, and is seemingly the Coles-type distraction that Gibbs is wont to unload: selfish, disgruntled and contractually unatainable. I mean if he wouldn't return my calls, and winds up holding out - I'd negotiate with teams and try to unload him for multiple high picks. Maybe not just yet, but maybe in June when he decides to hold out!

I know, I know - you would think Taylor knows he runs the risk of losing $$$ if he doesn't show up for mandatory camp. But maybe he's smoking that same Florida ganja that Ricky was smoking. Or, maybe, just maybe Rosenhaus is thinking that if Sean Taylor pisses the Skins off the way Coles did, the Skins will pull another bonehead move and trade Taylor just the way they gave in to Coles. So . . . Taylor gets traded, Taylor gets the sweet deal that he'd like, and the Skins get slammed like they did in the Coles/Jets deal. Do I hear Champ Bailey and the Denver Broncos giggling, and is that Antonio Pierce and Fred Smoot smirking in the background??

Or maybe we learned our lesson in the Coles/Jets deal and will let Taylor sit for a year, call it a breach of contract, and then smartly spread his money around to upgrade our DE/DT/LG spots for the coming year? And then, we do what the Dolphins did!!! Go after all that bonus money the player got! Hey, how bout that: The Skins finally get smart in their negotiations. Or, perhaps it's just the contract lawyer in me that's tired of seeing teams stupidly tear up bilaterally negotiated contracts by caving in to the ridiculous demands of today's prima donnas. Or, maybe it's just late and there's doesn't seem to be any interesting news to purview.

But, if we are going to trade him, can we please get someone who knows how to negotiate with other teams? :smashfrea

I'm tired of having Broncos and Jets laughing at us.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

There is no way that ST will be traded or cut.

For one, we'd take a monster cap hit next season.
Second, the guy's going to be an All-Pro game-changer.
Third, I'd take out the entire front office before we traded him.

[offiss]

We heard the same kind of nonesense last year when he was firing his agents, and he would be a big holdout and on and on, and guess what he was one of the first guy's in, now anyone close to him say's he just want's to stay away from the media as long as possible because he's tired of them, and it's a contract holdout, has anyone heard Taylor say he's holding out for a new contract? People like to make up there own stories and he's probably tired of it. Taylor is not an outgoing guy, but that doesn't make him a bad guy, my money is on him being at mandatory workout's.

[jamf]

i getting tired of hearing this shit.

manley was not a "character guy".
riggins was not a "character guy".

joe gibbs needs to take control over his players. if he cant, he should go back to nascar.

gibbs has done a very poor job of dealing with his players.

look, dont renegotiate with taylor. if he holds out, the team can fine him 6k a day.
and if he holds out after week 6(or 8, i dont remember) the skins can take away his years salary and some signing bonus. you dont get rid of him. you will never get anything near his value.
its best to just take the major loss and stand with integrity than give in to this BS.

btw, ST has 6 years left on his contract, he wont hold out for half his career.

please joe gibbs, dont fuck this up.

[CRT3]

Originally Posted by jamf

gibbs has done a very poor job of dealing with his players.

look, dont renegotiate with taylor. if he holds out, the team can fine him 6k a day.
and if he holds out after week 6(or 8, i dont remember) the skins can take away his years salary and some signing bonus. you dont get rid of him. you will never get anything near his value.
its best to just take the major loss and stand with integrity than give in to this BS.

btw, ST has 6 years left on his contract, he wont hold out for half his career.

please joe gibbs, dont fuck this up.

How has Gibbs mishandled his players, I just don't get your statement. The only one that has left unhappy under Gibbs was Coles.

Has he renegotiated with Taylor? All he has said publicly is that he is disappointed that he is a no show at voluntary camp. If he starts to miss time then he will be fined under the guidlines of the CBA.

Gibbs has had plenty of head cases on teams in the past and always seems to find a way of dealing with each player individually. #36 sorry number 21 or is it 36, no its 21 will feel the wrath from the best fans on the planet.

[NY_Skinsfan]

Look, the kid just wanted to completely get away from football for awhile...He'll be here when it's mandatory. This isn't about his contract. Next year when he has another year under his belt he will feel more confortable with how the nfl works so he won't need to get away like he does this year. Then next year he will show up to the not-so-mandatory, mandatory practices......and we will all forget this ever happened. Hell, in week one when makes his first big monster tackle for the season we won't even remember this happened.

[That Guy]

the kid may be a nutcase, but he wants to play more than anything else... he rushed a bad deal because he didn't want to risk not playing, and he was crying when he didn't start that first game...

its a bit like the LT deal... if he weren't so good, he'd be gone... but he's relatively cheap, he can play well and if he's not showing up to our camp (bundled with the offseason stuff) his trade value won't be nearly as high as you think it'd be...

he hasn't missed anything mandatory yet, so until he does (or starts stinking it up) i'm not going to be that concerned...

hall is semi-insurance, but the real motive was that gregg williams likes safeties that can cover more than CBs who can't... hall is super cheap and he was a starter; the guy they let go has 0 starts to his name i believe...

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by Tahoe Skin

I'm tired of having Broncos and Jets laughing at us.

I dont understand why the Broncos are laughing at us? The Jets, maybe, but not the Broncos. Why because they got Bailey and a second round pick for Portis? So what, for Bailey being a "shut down" corner he did get lit up alot last year. As for the second round pick, wasnt that Tatum Bell? What has he done so far? Yeah, he will be a good back in there system, but so what!! Would you rather us have Candidate running the ball for us still? I would hope not!! And yeah Betts is a good RB when he isnt hurt, and just because he had one good game against the Vikings D last year, I wouldnt rush him into the starting position just yet...

[Daseal]

CRT - Gardner also asked to be traded. I wonder if it had something to do with Gibbs putting a lot of blame on our WRs while protecting Brunell and his system.

As far as Sean Taylor. Trading him is ridiculous. We'd NEVER get what he's worth (because in my opinion we may never see someone with his attributes again), and he hasn't done anything yet. The media lit him up last year. Let him relax and enjoy himself until camps become manditory. If he's not there when they're manditory -- start with the fines.

[Paintrain]

Please stop it with the Sean Taylor cut, traded, on the way out garbage.. Per his contract HE HASN'T DONE ANYTHING WRONG! He is missing VOLUNTARY workout and team activities. Granted he is the only one on the team not there, but until he misses anything mandatory all he is hurting is people's feelings.. Good lord people relax..

[W_REDSKINS]

1st off cory Hall is no Sean Taylor... Im not even convinced he would challenge Ryan Clark, Pierson Prioleau or Andre Lott for that matter.

And yes, I think we should all hold off on trading/releasing Sean Taylor untill the guy actually holds out or makes his own demand regarding a trade or release. I mean he obviously contacted someone within the organization at least long enough to request a number change. Did he say " Hey, although I never intend to play in Washington ever again. Can I have number 21 just untill it`s official? "

I doubt it...

[wolfeskins]

his agent prolly contacted someone.

[sportscurmudgeon]

diehardskin2082:

Unless there is a MAJOR renegotiation or restructruing of his contract, Sean Taylor will NOT be here for seven years. His contract is back-loaded such that he MIGHT be far too costly from a cap perspective in years 6 and 7. Maybe even in year 5? We need Crazy Canuck here to give us the numbers...

Virtually all NFL contracts are back-loaded with huge salary numbers that give the player an "ego massage" when they sign the long-term deal for umpty tens of millions of dollars. But most of them never see those HUGE salaries in the final years because they either:

1. sign a new deal with a signing bonus and spread out that number over a bunch of years

2. get cut as a "cap casualty".

Sean Taylor is not immune from this reality. He may be here seven years from now and be an All-Pro safety earing huge bucks from Danny Boy Snyder's checking account. But if he falters, he won't even get a sniff of those huge salary years in his Redskin contract. The Skins know that; his agents know that (the ones he had to negotiate the contract in the first place and the ones he hires to try to find ways out of the current deal); hopefully, he knows that too since he has shown little if any ability to recognize the realities of the world that confronts him as a pro athlete.

[Redskins8588]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

diehardskin2082:

Unless there is a MAJOR renegotiation or restructruing of his contract, Sean Taylor will NOT be here for seven years. His contract is back-loaded such that he MIGHT be far too costly from a cap perspective in years 6 and 7. Maybe even in year 5? We need Crazy Canuck here to give us the numbers...

Virtually all NFL contracts are back-loaded with huge salary numbers that give the player an "ego massage" when they sign the long-term deal for umpty tens of millions of dollars. But most of them never see those HUGE salaries in the final years because they either:

1. sign a new deal with a signing bonus and spread out that number over a bunch of years

2. get cut as a "cap casualty".

Sean Taylor is not immune from this reality. He may be here seven years from now and be an All-Pro safety earing huge bucks from Danny Boy Snyder's checking account. But if he falters, he won't even get a sniff of those huge salary years in his Redskin contract. The Skins know that; his agents know that (the ones he had to negotiate the contract in the first place and the ones he hires to try to find ways out of the current deal); hopefully, he knows that too since he has shown little if any ability to recognize the realities of the world that confronts him as a pro athlete.

If you look at the cap sheets that Crazy Chunk put together on the sites home page, Taylors numbers over his current contract are not really that bad, I think the highest I saw him getting was like 3.5million in year 4 or 5 of his current contract. So I kinda believe that if we dont trade him he will be here for his whole contract...

[PSUSkinsFan21]

Originally Posted by W_REDSKINS

1st off cory Hall is no Sean Taylor... Im not even convinced he would challenge Ryan Clark, Pierson Prioleau or Andre Lott for that matter.

While I agree Hall is no Taylor.......Hall was a perennial (sp?) starter. Nobody you mentioned here has ever started as many games at safety as Cory Hall. In fact, Hall has started more games than Clark, Prioleau and Lott combined........so let's not completely disregard Hall's abilities here.