QB's since Ramsey's draft

gortiz · 05-17-2005, 03:09 PM

I'm not the biggest fan of Patrick, but I do like him and I like him even more after doing some research.

Has there been a better QB drafted since he was picked 02?

You can argue Leftwich, but his numbers are'n't great. Carr isn't even close and he had the luxury of stability that Patrick didn't have. Harrington? nope.

Big Ben? I don't think so. He had a number 1 D behind him, two stud running backs, and a coach that has been around for over a decade.

I know the verdict is out on last years and the year before QB's drafted. . .but out of 44 QB's drafted since 02, he is the best one.

Go back to the 2000 draft and all you got ahead of him is Brady, Pennington, Bulger, Vick, Brooks and Brees and thats a short list ahead of PR.

diehardskin2982 · 05-17-2005, 03:28 PM

Maybe, maybe not...
Ramsey is very gifted, but you can have all the talent in the world, if you can't win games, then you suck. We had like 8 or more games where we lost by 7 points or less. He need to win those games for us, lead the team to victory. If he can get do this, then maybe he'll win me over

irish · 05-17-2005, 03:31 PM

If you are gonna say no to Big Ben because he had a great team behind him than you have to give Leftwich the benefit of the doubt about his numbers because he didnt have a very good team behind him. For that matter neither did Carr or Harrington.

Redskins8588 · 05-17-2005, 04:01 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

If you are gonna say no to Big Ben because he had a great team behind him than you have to give Leftwich the benefit of the doubt about his numbers because he didnt have a very good team behind him. For that matter neither did Carr or Harrington.

Big Ben could not have asked for a better situation when the Steelers drafted him. Ben was drafted into a thirteen year old system that had the same head coach with the same philosiphy. Also the Steelers werent really as bad as there record had them.

But as for giving Leftwich, Carr, and Harrington the benefit of the doubt, why? If anything they were placed in similar situations that Ramsey has ben put in, with the exception that Carr and Harrington had the team built around them. Oh and not to mention that Leftwich, Carr, and Harrington didnt have to learn two totaly different offensive systems either.

Is Ramsey the best QB that has ben drafted in the past few years? I really dont know, but givien the adversity that he has ben threw, he certianly has my attention for this season...

HermosaBeach Skin Fan · 05-17-2005, 03:36 PM

Hey, let's not forget that PR had a killer D behind him and arguably a better RB in Clinton Portis. However...all of his WRs really sucked, and that's the big difference. Ward, Burress and Randle El could arguably be one of the top 3 WR trios in the league. Who did PR have? Coles, Gardner and Taylor...laughable, man!

gortiz · 05-17-2005, 04:22 PM

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Originally Posted by HermosaBeach Skin Fan

...laughable, man!

Is that from Big Lebowski? If so, damn funny, if not, I feel stupid.

Anyways, real good points, I like the different angles from which everyone looked at that.

I do agree with the argument regarding the close games we have lost, a good QB has to find a way to win those games...

HermosaBeach Skin Fan · 05-17-2005, 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by gortiz

Is that from Big Lebowski? If so, damn funny, if not, I feel stupid.

Anyways, real good points, I like the different angles from which everyone looked at that.

I do agree with the argument regarding the close games we have lost, a good QB has to find a way to win those games...

Whereas what we have here? A bunch of fig-eaters wearing towels on their heads, trying to find reverse in a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy adversary.

What's this day of rest? What's this bull? I don't care! It don't matter to Jesus. But you're not foolin' me, man. You might fool the guys in the league office, but you don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man - ha ha! I would have done you in the asss Saturday. I do you in the asss next Wednesday instead. Wooo! You got a date Wednesday, baby!

gortiz · 05-18-2005, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by HermosaBeach Skin Fan

Whereas what we have here? A bunch of fig-eaters wearing towels on their heads, trying to find reverse in a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy adversary.

What's this day of rest? What's this bull? I don't care! It don't matter to Jesus. But you're not foolin' me, man. You might fool the guys in the league office, but you don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man - ha ha! I would have done you in the asss Saturday. I do you in the asss next Wednesday instead. Wooo! You got a date Wednesday, baby!

classic huh? ha ha ha ha

Monksdown · 05-19-2005, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by HermosaBeach Skin Fan

Whereas what we have here? A bunch of fig-eaters wearing towels on their heads, trying to find reverse in a Soviet tank. This is not a worthy adversary.

What's this day of rest? What's this bull? I don't care! It don't matter to Jesus. But you're not foolin' me, man. You might fool the guys in the league office, but you don't fool Jesus. This bush league psyche-out stuff. Laughable, man - ha ha! I would have done you in the asss Saturday. I do you in the asss next Wednesday instead. Wooo! You got a date Wednesday, baby!

Shutup Donny!

Riggo44 · 05-17-2005, 03:43 PM

Sorry but I think I would take Big Ben or Leftwitch over Ramsey. Just on what they have done so far.
Don't get me wrong. I really like Patrick. But it's time for him to step it up a notch.

saden1 · 05-17-2005, 04:20 PM

Big Ben is definitely couple of notches above Ramsey and I don't mean high wise. And incase you forgot we've had solid D the past couple of years! Our problem has always been offense.

giacomo2 · 05-17-2005, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Big Ben is definitely couple of notches above Ramsey and I don't mean high wise. And incase you forgot we've had solid D the past couple of years! Our problem has always been offense.

i like ramsey, just sad that spurrior shot him with that matador passing scheme...and i do not think patrick will ever be the same. THANKS ALOT STEVE!!!!!!

:smashfrea

Gmanc711 · 05-17-2005, 11:29 PM

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Originally Posted by giacomo2

i like ramsey, just sad that spurrior shot him with that matador passing scheme...and i do not think patrick will ever be the same. THANKS ALOT STEVE!!!!!!

:smashfrea

In a totatly unrelated question, did you bet the kentucky derby?? Giacomo is your s/n so I was just wondering, and i'm pretty sure i've seen you on here for a while.

offiss · 05-18-2005, 01:09 AM

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Originally Posted by giacomo2

i like ramsey, just sad that spurrior shot him with that matador passing scheme...and i do not think patrick will ever be the same. THANKS ALOT STEVE!!!!!!

:smashfrea

It wasen't like Gibbs did him any favor's last season.

That Guy · 05-17-2005, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Big Ben is definitely couple of notches above Ramsey and I don't mean high wise. And incase you forgot we've had solid D the past couple of years! Our problem has always been offense.

solid D???

last year: #3
year prior: #25

NOT SOLID, sorry.

05-17-2005, 03:09 PM	#1
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	QB's since Ramsey's draft I'm not the biggest fan of Patrick, but I do like him and I like him even more after doing some research. Has there been a better QB drafted since he was picked 02? You can argue Leftwich, but his numbers are'n't great. Carr isn't even close and he had the luxury of stability that Patrick didn't have. Harrington? nope. Big Ben? I don't think so. He had a number 1 D behind him, two stud running backs, and a coach that has been around for over a decade. I know the verdict is out on last years and the year before QB's drafted. . .but out of 44 QB's drafted since 02, he is the best one. Go back to the 2000 draft and all you got ahead of him is Brady, Pennington, Bulger, Vick, Brooks and Brees and thats a short list ahead of PR.

05-17-2005, 03:36 PM	#5
HermosaBeach Skin Fan Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Hermosa Beach, CA Age: 46 Posts: 44	Re: QB's since Ramsey's draft Hey, let's not forget that PR had a killer D behind him and arguably a better RB in Clinton Portis. However...all of his WRs really sucked, and that's the big difference. Ward, Burress and Randle El could arguably be one of the top 3 WR trios in the league. Who did PR have? Coles, Gardner and Taylor...laughable, man!

05-17-2005, 03:43 PM	#10
Riggo44 The Starter Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: San Clemente CA Age: 51 Posts: 2,390	Re: QB's since Ramsey's draft Sorry but I think I would take Big Ben or Leftwitch over Ramsey. Just on what they have done so far. Don't get me wrong. I really like Patrick. But it's time for him to step it up a notch. __________________ Beer is proof that God loves us and wants us to be happy. Benjamin Franklin

05-17-2005, 04:20 PM	#11
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Re: QB's since Ramsey's draft Big Ben is definitely couple of notches above Ramsey and I don't mean high wise. And incase you forgot we've had solid D the past couple of years! Our problem has always been offense.

05-17-2005, 03:28 PM	#2
diehardskin2982 Another Year, another mess. Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,581	Re: QB's since Ramsey's draft Maybe, maybe not... Ramsey is very gifted, but you can have all the talent in the world, if you can't win games, then you suck. We had like 8 or more games where we lost by 7 points or less. He need to win those games for us, lead the team to victory. If he can get do this, then maybe he'll win me over __________________ That got ugly fast

05-17-2005, 03:31 PM	#3
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: QB's since Ramsey's draft If you are gonna say no to Big Ben because he had a great team behind him than you have to give Leftwich the benefit of the doubt about his numbers because he didnt have a very good team behind him. For that matter neither did Carr or Harrington.

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