Does character count?

Hijinx · 05-05-2005, 03:08 AM

The news in the NFL this week has been dominated by Owen's holdout/trashing his teammates and Winslow's cycle shenanigans. Two morons doing moronic things.

IS anyone (especialy those in the Brown's or Eagles' front offices) surprised?

Didn't Owens bitch about his pay and trash teammates in S.F.? Didn't KW2 look and act like a spoiled brat trouble maker in college? Don't teams give psych tests or talk to former teammates or coachs? It seems like teams never look into a person character before they hire them or worse they think that just moving to a new city will magically change a screw up.

This is a team sport perhaps more than any other sport. Here are the Eagles in the SB last year and is there any stories about their chances this year or their draft picks. No its all about TO. If you don't think one bad attitude in a locker room can mess up a team you dead wrong.

Granted a few times a guy turns his life around. Chris Carter comes to mind. However for every C.C. there is a T.O., KW2, Randy Moss, and Lawerence Phillips. These guys are thrown second and third chances and in my mind it is no surprise they have or will screw it up. There were people on this forum who said the skins should make a run at TO or Randy Moss to solve our WR woes. I was like NO WAY. I wouldn't care if it was an automatic 120 catchs a year the downside is still to great. And I think there are 2 teams who are figuring that out and 1 (Raiders) who will this year.

Dana87 · 05-05-2005, 06:41 AM

Truer words have never been spoken.

Hog1 · 05-05-2005, 07:52 AM

The "character thing" with Gibbs will seem ever wiser as time goes on. Everybody the same! Each piece of the machine as important as the next. Replaceable parts. Pull together for a common goal. Something the NFL could use more of. A.................TEAM

Schneed10 · 05-05-2005, 08:14 AM

Word.

MTK · 05-05-2005, 08:27 AM

Sure character counts, but players as talented as TO will always find someone willing to put up with his act... for a little while at least.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 05-05-2005, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Sure character counts, but players as talented as TO will always find someone willing to put up with his act... for a little while at least.

An unfortunate reality in today's NFL.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-05-2005, 08:34 AM

True. I think he will have worn his welcome out when the Eagles release him and he does the same ol' shit to another team. He's running himself out of work.

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-05-2005, 08:52 AM

If teams will stop putting up with that type of shit, then maybe we won't have to see players like TO in the league anymore. Once you establish the precedent that you don't allow that type of behavior on your team and the rest of the league follows, maybe the NFL would be much more character-based.

PSUSkinsFan21 · 05-05-2005, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If teams will stop putting up with that type of shit, then maybe we won't have to see players like TO in the league anymore. Once you establish the precedent that you don't allow that type of behavior on your team and the rest of the league follows, maybe the NFL would be much more character-based.

Absolutely agree............now just go and convince Al Davis and we're on our way.
Seriously though, that's the problem. There is always going to be at least one team out there who caters to guys like TO, Moss, etc. Heck, the Raiders have built a reputation on it. There's a reason why everyone on draft day was saying Maurice Clarett to the Raiders in round 6 (at least until the Broncos shocked the world at the end of the 3rd). If there was a way to get all the teams on board with what you're saying though, I'd be the first one on the campaign trail.

gortiz · 05-05-2005, 09:08 AM

I agree with everything, but man, you just can't put all the blame on these guys, I"mthe first to say that T.O., Winslow, and dudes like Moss are overpaid jerks who have lost touch of reality, but when you throw that much cash at a young guy who odds are is not very educated, didn't have a stong family base, and came from a low income background. . .its hard to keep your head straight.

Man, did I get way off the subject. . .sorry.

Now Winslow, well he is a jackass that has no excuse except for the fact that he is a Miami Hurricaine. . like Shockey.. . who is a monsterous piece of CRAP!! And I'm sorry to say, but Sean Taylor is starting to fall into that category, and I think Portis is a great RB and can be real funny, but sorry Portis fans, he is an IDIOT as well.

Why can't we clone C. Cooley????

JoeRedskin · 05-05-2005, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

If teams will stop putting up with that type of shit, then maybe we won't have to see players like TO in the league anymore. Once you establish the precedent that you don't allow that type of behavior on your team and the rest of the league follows, maybe the NFL would be much more character-based.

Weren't some of the people now bashing TO for his holdout and his "me first" attitude the same people supporting him in his "me first" touchdown celebrations? Does anyone else besides me think they are just two symptoms the same core problem? TO's deep and abiding love for himself.

Why does the NFL put up w/ TO type players? 'Cause fans want to see 'em. They want to watch them make athletic plays and then watch them dance. All the time focusing attention on themselves and not their teammates (Who was it who threw those 14 TD's to you, Owens? And for those dancing DE's, Who was it that ate up two blockers so you could get a clean shot at the QB?).

So the next time a player pulls some diva crap ON the field and you applaud/support or otherwise condone it; Don't bitch when they pull the same crap OFF the field.

Hijinx · 05-05-2005, 01:08 PM

That's right personally I see these actions as proof that he has attitude problem and didn't improve them this past year. It was reported that TO would practice his TD celebrations in the locker room before a game. Is this what he should be working on before a game? Is Philly paying him all that money to improve their TD dancing?

TheMalcolmConnection · 05-05-2005, 02:28 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Weren't some of the people now bashing TO for his holdout and his "me first" attitude the same people supporting him in his "me first" touchdown celebrations? Does anyone else besides me think they are just two symptoms the same core problem? TO's deep and abiding love for himself.

Why does the NFL put up w/ TO type players? 'Cause fans want to see 'em. They want to watch them make athletic plays and then watch them dance. All the time focusing attention on themselves and not their teammates (Who was it who threw those 14 TD's to you, Owens? And for those dancing DE's, Who was it that ate up two blockers so you could get a clean shot at the QB?).

So the next time a player pulls some diva crap ON the field and you applaud/support or otherwise condone it; Don't bitch when they pull the same crap OFF the field.

I agree with that for the most part. TO wants people to eat his shit, and people do. I do agree that a lot of it has to do with the fans. I'm going to make a bold statement, completely without bias when I say that Redskins fans are some of the more intelligent, civilized fans of any team that I know of. I don't think that any of us would put up with or cheer for any TO dances in the end zone if we were unfortunate enough to have him on our team.

I would like to think that the majority of fans for every team would never want anyone like TO or Randy Moss.

joecrisp · 05-05-2005, 11:07 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

So the next time a player pulls some diva crap ON the field and you applaud/support or otherwise condone it; Don't bitch when they pull the same crap OFF the field.

Bingo! Ding, ding, ding! We have a winner!

skinsguy · 05-05-2005, 09:13 AM

I'm afraid most of the blame has to be placed upon the encouragement of having free agency like it is today in the NFL. Some guys are making millions of dollars even before they prove themselves worthy of such a paycheck. Sure, they might have been great in college, but that means jack once you're in the big leagues.

05-05-2005, 03:08 AM	#1
Hijinx The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 49 Posts: 1,961	Does character count? The news in the NFL this week has been dominated by Owen's holdout/trashing his teammates and Winslow's cycle shenanigans. Two morons doing moronic things. IS anyone (especialy those in the Brown's or Eagles' front offices) surprised? Didn't Owens bitch about his pay and trash teammates in S.F.? Didn't KW2 look and act like a spoiled brat trouble maker in college? Don't teams give psych tests or talk to former teammates or coachs? It seems like teams never look into a person character before they hire them or worse they think that just moving to a new city will magically change a screw up. This is a team sport perhaps more than any other sport. Here are the Eagles in the SB last year and is there any stories about their chances this year or their draft picks. No its all about TO. If you don't think one bad attitude in a locker room can mess up a team you dead wrong. Granted a few times a guy turns his life around. Chris Carter comes to mind. However for every C.C. there is a T.O., KW2, Randy Moss, and Lawerence Phillips. These guys are thrown second and third chances and in my mind it is no surprise they have or will screw it up. There were people on this forum who said the skins should make a run at TO or Randy Moss to solve our WR woes. I was like NO WAY. I wouldn't care if it was an automatic 120 catchs a year the downside is still to great. And I think there are 2 teams who are figuring that out and 1 (Raiders) who will this year. __________________ This is my signature, there are many like it, but this one is mine.

05-05-2005, 06:41 AM	#2
Dana87 Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Saint Augustine, Florida Age: 63 Posts: 130	Re: Does character count? Truer words have never been spoken.

05-05-2005, 07:52 AM	#3
Hog1 Quietly Dominating the East Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Naples, Florida Posts: 10,675	Re: Does character count? The "character thing" with Gibbs will seem ever wiser as time goes on. Everybody the same! Each piece of the machine as important as the next. Replaceable parts. Pull together for a common goal. Something the NFL could use more of. A.................TEAM

05-05-2005, 08:14 AM	#4
Schneed10 A Dude Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Newtown Square, PA Age: 45 Posts: 12,437	Re: Does character count? Word.

05-05-2005, 08:27 AM	#5
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,706	Re: Does character count? Sure character counts, but players as talented as TO will always find someone willing to put up with his act... for a little while at least.

05-05-2005, 08:34 AM	#7
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,237	Re: Does character count? True. I think he will have worn his welcome out when the Eagles release him and he does the same ol' shit to another team. He's running himself out of work. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-05-2005, 08:52 AM	#8
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,237	Re: Does character count? If teams will stop putting up with that type of shit, then maybe we won't have to see players like TO in the league anymore. Once you establish the precedent that you don't allow that type of behavior on your team and the rest of the league follows, maybe the NFL would be much more character-based. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

05-05-2005, 09:08 AM	#10
gortiz Special Teams Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 498	Re: Does character count? I agree with everything, but man, you just can't put all the blame on these guys, I"mthe first to say that T.O., Winslow, and dudes like Moss are overpaid jerks who have lost touch of reality, but when you throw that much cash at a young guy who odds are is not very educated, didn't have a stong family base, and came from a low income background. . .its hard to keep your head straight. Man, did I get way off the subject. . .sorry. Now Winslow, well he is a jackass that has no excuse except for the fact that he is a Miami Hurricaine. . like Shockey.. . who is a monsterous piece of CRAP!! And I'm sorry to say, but Sean Taylor is starting to fall into that category, and I think Portis is a great RB and can be real funny, but sorry Portis fans, he is an IDIOT as well. Why can't we clone C. Cooley????

05-05-2005, 01:08 PM	#12
Hijinx The Starter Join Date: Apr 2005 Age: 49 Posts: 1,961	Re: Does character count? That's right personally I see these actions as proof that he has attitude problem and didn't improve them this past year. It was reported that TO would practice his TD celebrations in the locker room before a game. Is this what he should be working on before a game? Is Philly paying him all that money to improve their TD dancing? __________________ This is my signature, there are many like it, but this one is mine.

05-05-2005, 09:13 AM	#15
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	Re: Does character count? I'm afraid most of the blame has to be placed upon the encouragement of having free agency like it is today in the NFL. Some guys are making millions of dollars even before they prove themselves worthy of such a paycheck. Sure, they might have been great in college, but that means jack once you're in the big leagues. __________________ "Fire Up That Diesel!"

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