Gun Control Thread- Should we?

[NC_Skins]

In lieu of the movie theater shooting, I figured this article and thread is a appropriate place to discuss this topic. That way, we can focus on the victims and crime itself in the other thread.

Gun control surfaces in CT, VA Senate debates following Colorado shooting | The Ticket - Yahoo! News

[Monkeydad]

This again...

If more people carried guns legally, this idiot would have had a bullet in his head after his first shot...not after he shot 71 people and killed 12.


End of discussion.

[NC_Skins]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

This again...

If more people carried guns legally, this idiot would have had a bullet in his head after his first shot...not after he shot 71 people and killed 12.


End of discussion.

You sir are preaching to choir. I think the knee jerk reaction of many are to "ban this" or "ban that" when something tragic happens. Truthfully, had the guy really wanted to kill more people, he would have loaded his car full of those explosives he had in his room and drove his car into the showing. Either that or threw them into the theater like he did the gas bomb. You don't need a gun to kill a lot of people, that much was proved by Timothy McVeigh. (even Al Qaeda)

[SmootSmack]

Or people may have still panicked and forgotten they even had a gun.

Or even worse yet, more people could have been hurt or killed in the cross fire.

I'm not sure why anyone needs to buy assault weapons such as the AR-15 (which I believe was once federally banned), and I don't know anyone should be allowed to sell/buy ammunition over the Internet.

[NC_Skins]

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Or people may have still panicked and forgotten they even had a gun.

Or even worse yet, more people could have been hurt or killed in the cross fire.

I'm not sure why anyone needs to buy assault weapons such as the AR-15 (which I believe was once federally banned), and I don't know anyone should be allowed to sell/buy ammunition over the Internet.

The gun control nuts don't target assault weapons, they are typically afraid of ALL guns. They're called Hoplophobes.

Gun control will only empower and enable criminals like this guy to kill more people and make these mass murder jobs easier. People like this guy will still be able to get guns, they're not concerned about the law obviously. If a murderer still wants to kill people, he'll use another weapon or just block exits and start a fire. The best way to combat these criminals is to arm ourselves responsibly and legally.

President Obama threw out the statement "what if my daughters were in there..."

Mr. President, with all due respect, we both know this jerk would have had a bullet between his eyes when he tossed the smoke bomb, before he fired a single shot. Why? Because someone on the right side of the law had a gun. If the President was honestly affected by this and thinking about his daughters and OUR children, he's realize the error of his thinking with his extreme anti-2nd Amendment stance.

Guns do not kill people. Guns save people when criminals who want to kill people get their hands on guns. They'll still get their guns. Knowing they are walking among a helpless, unarmed population who can't defend themselves will only help their goals.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Or even worse yet, more people could have been hurt or killed in the cross fire.

Seriously? That's your argument?

Just let him empty his guns on the crowd then. Don't let responsible, trained gun owners try to stop him.

People who obtain a C&C license typically take their responsibility very seriously. They get trained. They practice. Most of all, they realize they need to use only when necessary and are typically smart about it because they know acting irresponsibly with a weapon will get them in huge trouble. They're not a bunch of trigger-happy rednecks like the anti-gun activists like to paint them as.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by Monkeydad

Seriously? That's your argument?

Just let him empty his guns on the crowd then. Don't let responsible, trained gun owners try to stop him.

People who obtain a C&C license typically take their responsibility very seriously. They get trained. They practice. Most of all, they realize they need to use only when necessary and are typically smart about it because they know acting irresponsibly with a weapon will get them in huge trouble. They're not a bunch of trigger-happy rednecks like the anti-gun activists like to paint them as.

So are we then giving guns only to trained people then? And making sure they're at the movie too? Or are we, as you seemed to imply, on your first post, giving it to anyone who wanted a gun?

I think SolidSnake's anecdote in the other thread (I believe about his friend) who got a gun and now is spooked by anything and ready to just fire and will one day unintentionally seriously hurt someone innocently was on point.

Sorry, but I don't think more guns is the answer. Nor do I think we should cling so blindly to the 2nd amendment as an excuse for it. If we're not willing to evolve from the past...well then, 12thMan would be 4thMan

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Sorry, but I don't think more guns is the answer.

John Lott does and he's actually taken the time to substantiate his position. If you have some time please read 'More Guns, Less Crime' and you may change your position.

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by RedskinRat

John Lott does and he's actually taken the time to substantiate his position. If you have some time please read 'More Guns, Less Crime' and you may change your position.

In general, I agree with the Lott's conclusions. My biggest dispute, at this point, is the assertion that, in the Aurora shooting, casualties would have been undeniably lessened if they there had been trained gunmen in the audience.

Lott asserts gun ownership promotes deterence. Deterence, however, does not work for crazy folks.

Everyone should just go back and read the Ted Nugent thread. Lots of good stuff in there.

[NC_Skins]

I do think this.

1) people should have to enroll in a training course and pass it before owning a gun

2) no felons or people with mental issues should be allowed to own a gun


Just like a car, a person has to be trained and tested before he's given access to drive down the road. I see no qualm with having a person go through the same type of training for something that could potentially kill another(just like a car) if improperly used.

Now, I don't think people should be allowed to own bazookas or surface to air missiles...lol

[RedskinRat]

Originally Posted by NC_Skins

I do think this.

1) people should have to enroll in a training course and pass it before owning a gun

2) no felons or people with mental issues should be allowed to own a gun


Just like a car, a person has to be trained and tested before he's given access to drive down the road. I see no qualm with having a person go through the same type of training for something that could potentially kill another(just like a car) if improperly used.

Now, I don't think people should be allowed to own bazookas or surface to air missiles...lol

Here is sunny CA that's exactly what we have to do.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So are we then giving guns only to trained people then? And making sure they're at the movie too? Or are we, as you seemed to imply, on your first post, giving it to anyone who wanted a gun?

I think SolidSnake's anecdote in the other thread (I believe about his friend) who got a gun and now is spooked by anything and ready to just fire and will one day unintentionally seriously hurt someone innocently was on point.

Sorry, but I don't think more guns is the answer. Nor do I think we should cling so blindly to the 2nd amendment as an excuse for it. If we're not willing to evolve from the past...well then, 12thMan would be 4thMan

You just can't walk into a gun store and buy a hand gun and then get a carry permit. See the attached. All we have to do is look at the states and cities where guns are illegal. If I'm correct they have on average much higher crime rates. More liberal gun laws in areas seem to have lower crime rates. Its one thing to break into a house knowing they don't have guns and another to break into a house not knowing.

Instructions

1. • 1 Pass the concealed weapon training class and be over the age of 21. You must pass the training course prior to submitting an application for your gun license. The costs and training depend on the permit you are trying to acquire.
     
     
   • 2 Go to the circuit court and complete an application in person. You will need your training certificate and photo identification. Most jurisdictions require fingerprints for residents and non-residents. You cannot send your license application in the mail. The court clerk has 45 days to deny or approve your permit application. If your application hasn't been processed within 45 days, the court clerk will issue you a temporary permit that will expire in 90 days.
     
     
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   • 3 Renew your permit. Every five years residents and non-residents must renew their permit. Non-residents must provide fingerprints, but residents do not.
     
     

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[mredskins]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

So are we then giving guns only to trained people then? And making sure they're at the movie too? Or are we, as you seemed to imply, on your first post, giving it to anyone who wanted a gun?

I think SolidSnake's anecdote in the other thread (I believe about his friend) who got a gun and now is spooked by anything and ready to just fire and will one day unintentionally seriously hurt someone innocently was on point.

Sorry, but I don't think more guns is the answer. Nor do I think we should cling so blindly to the 2nd amendment as an excuse for it. If we're not willing to evolve from the past...well then, 12thMan would be 4thMan

Don't forget they would need a gas mask too in order to shoot down the CO gun man. Night vision would probably help too. Not even Rambo would have stopped that guy. He had the element of surprise, tear gas, darkness and no fear for his own life. To say the deck was stacked in his favor is a understatement.

I really don't care if folks (sane law abiding) have guns but to think if you could carry around a gun in your township as though you were Charles Bronson cleaning up the streets of crazed gunman is just quit humorous to me. Unless you have a military or police training most likely you are going to freeze up in that situation or worst shoot a innocent person. The crazed person is not going to stand there like a paper target waiting for you to be the hero.

CO movie shooter, VT, Columbine are sucker punches; no way to defend them. Even Bruce Lee could have been sucker punched if he didn't know it was coming. How can I defend against a sucker punch? Keep my hands up during the whole day protecting my face? Look kind of silly. If some one wants to sucker punch you they are going to do it.

I swear some of you most day dream like Ralphie from a Christmas Story with his Red Ryder taking out the robberies in his backyard.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by mredskins

Don't forget they would need a gas mask too in order to shoot down the CO gun man. Night vision would probably help too. Not even Rambo would have stopped that guy. He had the element of surprise, tear gas, darkness and no fear for his own life. To say the deck was stacked in his favor is a understatement.

I really don't care if folks (sane law abiding) have guns but to think if you could carry around a gun in your township as though you were Charles Bronson cleaning up the streets of crazed gunman is just quit humorous to me. Unless you have a military or police training most likely you are going to freeze up in that situation or worst shoot a innocent person. The crazed person is not going to stand there like a paper target waiting for you to be the hero.

CO movie shooter, VT, Columbine are sucker punches; no way to defend them. Even Bruce Lee could have been sucker punched if he didn't know it was coming. How can I defend against a sucker punch? Keep my hands up during the whole day protecting my face? Look kind of silly. If some one wants to sucker punch you they are going to do it.

I swear some of you most day dream like Ralphie from a Christmas Story with his Red Ryder taking out the robberies in his backyard.

I have two friends who have a carry permits and I'd bet that both could take the guy down and pretty quick. AAs for the sucker punch. No cannot stop a sucker punch but you can kick the dudes ass after he sucker punches you.