Should Augusta National Admit Women?

12thMan · 04-05-2012, 02:52 PM

Pretty straightforward question.

While I think it's time for them to come into the 21st century and allow women to become members, I don't feel people hold the organization or the tournament in low regard because they haven't.

That said, if Augusta had a policy that didn't allow minorities people would be boycotting and outraged until they overturned it.

Chico23231 · 04-05-2012, 03:20 PM

yes, point blank its effing retarded.

mooby · 04-05-2012, 03:51 PM

Yep, even though it's not hurting the club as you said 12th, there's no reason in this day and age women shouldn't be allowed to join.

JoeRedskin · 04-05-2012, 04:24 PM

So, is it okay for any group, be they black, white, male, female, Hispanic, senior citizens, Christian, atheist, etc., etc. to say "This group is closed to any one not of the group". If you accept direct government funding, I think the answer is obviously "No". What if you accept no funding? Is it okay for political incorrect exclusive clubs to exist?

I'm not asking legally, but, from the gut -- "In this day and age" is it okay for a group of Blacks to exclude whites from a private club? Do we allow people to gather "with their own kind" - whatever that kind is? If so, why? If not, why not?

12thMan · 04-05-2012, 04:36 PM

Joe, sometimes I get the impression that you like to hear yourself talk

What's a bit strange for me is that I don't look "down", as it were, on Augusta or it's members. I do think they are a bunch of good old boys that just want to keep things the way they are. And you know what, I can't blame them one bit or judge them. I think it's more about class in their mind than gender. I don't agree with it, but I do get it. Some clubs are simply defined by their exclusivity, prestige, and air of mystic.

JoeRedskin · 04-05-2012, 04:56 PM

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Joe, sometimes I get the impression that you like to hear yourself talk.

Well, no one else does, so it's up to me. Of course, it helps that I am the most interesting man I know.

As to Augusta, I got no problem with "exclusive" clubs so long as they aren't taking funds from the general public or otherwise benefitting through special perks, etc.

RedskinRat · 04-05-2012, 04:39 PM

It's a private club, membership by invitation. No, they shouldn't be forced to allow women.

DynamiteRave · 04-05-2012, 11:25 PM

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It's a private club, membership by invitation. No, they shouldn't be forced to allow women.

Eh. As a woman, I'm prone to agree. It's an archaic and incredibly stupid rule but it IS a private club, meaning they can reject whoever, no matter how despicable the rule is.

Aren't there still country clubs that don't allow blacks as members? I remember it wasn't TOO long ago that the country club in Chevy Chase started allowing black members... I believe. I don't think I'm dreaming that up... Or maybe it was a different issue pertaining to black membership. I'm not certain. Someone correct me if they know.

NC_Skins · 04-06-2012, 01:55 AM

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It's a private club, membership by invitation. No, they shouldn't be forced to allow women.

Have to agree here.

RedskinRat · 04-06-2012, 11:27 AM

Also useful way to decide what kind of people you want to associate with.

Me? I'm going somewhere where they have women and 21st Century attitudes, eff Augusta!

Monksdown · 04-06-2012, 11:47 AM

This topic started an argument with my girlfriend and I. We compared it to colleges having to admit women. I went to VMI, and the discussion was a big part of my life back then.

In the end we agreed that if you receive tax dollars you should have to oblige the public in general. If you are completely privately funded, it's at the discretion of the members that donate their $$.

Sex is a protected class when considering employment. I dont believe however that it's protected in this instance. I'm not an attorney, so that's just my uninformed opinion.

We need a break from our wives for christ sake. What's so bad about just having a place for us? I would further argue that women would be infringing on my right to happiness by forcing the issue. The problem is my rights cant be protected if they harm someone else's rights.

Monkeydad · 04-06-2012, 02:17 PM

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Also useful way to decide what kind of people you want to associate with.

Me? I'm going somewhere where they have women and 21st Century attitudes, eff Augusta!

21st-century attitude?

No one is demanding womens' organizations adopt the same flexibility and stray from their founding purpose/vision.

It has nothing to do with being old-fashioned or "stone age"...they have their own PRIVATE club and can run it however they want.

If Augusta is forced to admit women, we need to also apply the same standard to everything...eliminate race-based memberships and scholarships, force all womens' colleges to go co-ed, etc.

If they want a golf club just for women, NO ONE is stopping them from scraping up the money to start one.

RedskinRat · 04-06-2012, 02:45 PM

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