Redskins Have Not Had Success On Drafting Quarterbacks

[skins89moss]

Since the end of the regular season we have had many topics and debates over who the Redskins should draft or sign at the quarterback position. I looked back in history of the Redskins organization on drafting quarterbacks and we have drafted such players like Sammy Baugh, Eddie LeBaron, Norm Snead, and Jay Schroeder. Yes I said Jay Schroeder. Look I hate to break the news to some of you but we did not draft Billy Kilmer, Sonny, or Joe Theismann. They were either free agents or part of player trades to aquire them. Even the great Joe Gibbs did not draft Doug Williams he signed him as a free agent. If you want to know who we actually drafted to be our franchise quarterback over the years well lets start here with the following:

1.Mark Rypien drafted 1986 Rd 6 (played 1986-1994) Super Bowl MVP

2.Stan Humphries drafted 1988 Rd 6 (played 1989-1991) Traded to Chargers played in Super Bowl XXIX

3.Cary Conklin drafted 1990 Rd 4 (played 1990-1993) Bum

4.Gus Frerotte drafted Rd 7 ( played 1994-1998) Journeyman

5.Heath Shuler drafted Rd 1 pk 3 ( played 1994-1996) Bust

6.Patrick Ramsey drafted Rd 1 pk 32 (played 2002-2005) Back Up QB

7.Jason Campbell drafted Rd 1 pk 25 (played 2005-2009) Started for Raiders until injuries

We also had some others who were drafted in the later rounds such as Colt Brennan and Sage Rosenfels.

I would love for us to draft RGIII in the 1st Rd but Redskins history has shown that we do not know how to evaluate franchise quarterbacks in DC. So what do we do ? We sign free agents quarterbacks that other teams did not want like the following ( Jeff George,Tim Hasslebeck, John Beck, Danny Wuerffel, Tony Banks, Donovan McNabb). How can Redskins fans blame Shanny for our quarterback problems when this has been a issue for over 30 years folks. We should have such luck to draft a Peyton Manning or Brett Farve who can be the face of the franchise for the next 10-12 years. People we don't have history on our side when it comes to this positon so why shiould it change this years draft. Do we take a flyer on a older unhealthy Peyton Manning or a young raw talent who we may have to drop two 1st rd picks and a 2nd or 3rd pick. I hate to make this call and be wrong because our fans cannot go another 5-7 years without a franchise QB. Im just putting some facts out their what do you think? HTTR

[freddyg12]

Joe Theisman & Sammy Baugh!

Unless you believe in curses, all that matters is how this current regime drafts.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Joe Theisman & Sammy Baugh!

Unless you believe in curses, all that matters is how this current regime drafts.

Joe Theisman was not drafted but Sammy Baugh was drafted Rd 1 Pk 6 in 1937. Ok he played for the Redskins from 1937-1952. Ok so how long ago was that regime?

[Son Of Man]

FYI- Joe Gibbs was the OC in Tampa when the Bucs drafted Doug Williams. In fact, he went to personally scout him at Grambling and made the push to get him.

By bad for typo....automatic spell check correction on DROID.

[Mechanix544]

Originally Posted by Son Of Man

FYI- Joe Gibbs was the OF in Tampa when the Bugs drafted Doug Williams. In fact, he went to personally scout him at Grumbling and made the push to get him.

I dont think you are getting what he is saying.

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

Joe Theisman was not drafted but Sammy Baugh was drafted Rd 1 Pk 6 in 1937. Ok he played for the Redskins from 1937-1952. Ok so how long ago was that regime?

you're right, was actually drafted by Miami but never signed & went to CFL. Sammy Baugh was the 6th pick! That's a sign we shouldn't trade out of that spot.

[Chico23231]

we break the trend this year. I really dont think we have drafted enough QBs. Im of the mindset you should spend a draft pic on a QB at least every other year.

[MTK]

The past is irrelevant. Can't worry about past failures, all that matters is hitting on one in this draft.

[Alvin Walton]

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by Alvin Walton

Lol. Exactly what I thought when I saw the thread title pop up on the main page.

What the Skins have done with QBs historically means nothing. My only concern is this regime saw fit to trade for McNabb and also deem Rex/Beck as quality pro passers. But that's also kicking a horse that's been dead for months now.

At this point there's really no news until there is some.

[SkinzWin]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The past is irrelevant. Can't worry about past failures, all that matters is hitting on one in this draft.

...or two.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

The past is irrelevant. Can't worry about past failures, all that matters is hitting on one in this draft.

The point I was making is the Redskins over the years have won with free agent quarterbacks rather than draft the so called franchise quarterback. The last great Redskins quarterback to be drafted was Mark Rypien who lead us to a Super Bowl victory. Why is it that during our numerous coaching changes we never have found the so called franchise QB. We have had really bad teams in the past 20 years which means we did have high picks. Is this franchise capable of selecting our quarterback in this years draft? I like Mike Shanahan as our coach and he will need time to make this team a winner. So lets not blame Mike for our failures in drafting a franchise quraterback, this is been going on way to long.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by skins89moss

The point I was making is the Redskins over the years have won with free agent quarterbacks rather than draft the so called franchise quarterback. The last great Redskins quarterback to be drafted was Mark Rypien who lead us to a Super Bowl victory. Why is it that during our numerous coaching changes we never have found the so called franchise QB. We have had really bad teams in the past 20 years which means we did have high picks. Is this franchise capable of selecting our quarterback in this years draft? I like Mike Shanahan as our coach and he will need time to make this team a winner. So lets not blame Mike for our failures in drafting a franchise quraterback, this is been going on way to long.

That's right.

Look, it doesn't do a lot of good to look back at the past and let it shape the future. But there is a lesson in this thread, and that lesson was that if you think the Redskins drafting a quarterback in the first round and hoping that guy would make all their other personnel decisions look good would represent the new way of doing stuff, that's not really the case. It would be more like the same thing the Redskins have been doing since 1994.

1st round QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991: 3
1st round QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991: 1
1st round QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991: 1

Number of QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 2
Number of QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4
Number of QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4

Contrary to popular belief, the teams with the best quarterback play in the NFL do not typically invest the most draft value into quarterbacks. If they dabble in the first round, they typically do it only once.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

1st round QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991: 3
1st round QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991: 1
1st round QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991: 1

Number of QBs drafted by the Redskins since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 2
Number of QBs drafted by the Packers since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4
Number of QBs drafted by the Patriots since 1991 who are currently in pro football: 4

Contrary to popular belief, the teams with the best quarterback play in the NFL do not typically invest the most draft value into quarterbacks. If they dabble in the first round, they typically do it only once.

Good points.

Imo a bad franchise cannot produce a 'franchise' QB, I don't care how good the prospect.
There are certain elements that need to be in place from an organizational stand point to support the development and success of a young QB into a 'franchise' QB i.e. personnel (LT, RB, OL, WR, defense) coaching (someone that knows QBs and knows how to install an NFL passing game) front office (someone that has a clear vision and plan towards the future).
Its why the same QB can look like terrible with one team yet look like a HOFer with another team.

I think its also important that to sometimes look at the individual teams that make up the group when it comes to QB success.

The prevailing logic based on the stats is that the higher you draft a QB the better the odds of success.

But if you look at the good franchises and the team with bona fide or even perceived QB 'guru' they tend to have success with their QBs regardless of how or where they acquire them and most were acquired outside the top 10 picks in the 1st round.

I'm doing the list below from memory:

Walsh never drafted a QB in the 1st round
Holmgren: has produced more starting caliber QBs then most franchises and he's never drafted a QB in the 1st round
Bellichick IIRC no 1st round QB, produced a starting QB from a 7th round pick
Andy Reid: has drafted the highest but also produced Kolb a 2nd rounder into a starter and turned Vick into a top 10 passer
Sean Peyton: Tony Romo UDFA and Drew Brees via FA
McCarthy: late 1st round and now Matt Flynn
Shananhan: has only drafted 1 Cutler at 11 (IIRC) and produced pro-bowlers with 3rd round Greise and FA Plummer

[mooby]

New history is made every day. Our past history drafting qb's has absolutely nothing to do with how our coaches, today, will evaluate how to proceed at qb in this upcoming season.