Leinart staying at USC

Cush · 01-14-2005, 07:02 PM

guess he didn't want to go to SF

Gmanc711 · 01-14-2005, 07:28 PM

Just give them the Trophy now and cancel the College Football season next year.

I'm suprised he is staying, but cant fault him for doing what he really wants and not following the pressure.

itvnetop · 01-14-2005, 08:04 PM

i'm surprised myself... in the present era of makin' millions while you can, this move is pretty throw-back... matt impresses me to no end. regardless, it was a decision i wouldn't have made.

azskinsfan2 · 01-14-2005, 08:28 PM

I surely hope he doesn't get badly hurt next year,(knock on wood). Good luck to him. Wish more players would stick around like that.

Dirtbag · 01-14-2005, 08:47 PM

As a Cal fan living in Berkeley, this is terrible news. Cal beat USC two seasons ago, *should* have beaten them last season, but I don't know if we have a shot of overtaking them in the Pac-10 with Leinart back. Gotta like the kid's loyalty to his school, though.

Daseal · 01-14-2005, 08:57 PM

Leinhart could have a bad season and drop him to a low pick. He may have just cost himself millions.

FRPLG · 01-14-2005, 10:19 PM

Bad decision, just plain bad.

skin4Life28 · 01-14-2005, 10:55 PM

How can you sit and say that it was a bad decision honestly? The man is on the verge of leading his team to a third straight national championship which has never been done. He will more than likely win the heisman again, unless reggie bush or adrian peterson takes it but I doubt it. He will get his money in do time. He enjoys playing football. This is his last year to actually play football before it becomes a business not a sport. Not many people will agree with his decision nor should they its not theres. Good job Matt on doing something that you want to do and not giving in to the greed like most players.

Daseal · 01-14-2005, 11:48 PM

I'll tell you why - one injury away from having a "college degree" that he probably didn't even earn (most top notch players don't) and football is his livelyhood. Willis McGahee lost tons of cash because of his injury, luckily he was able to rehab it, but it just goes to show what one bad play can do. Not to mention, what if his role players get hurt and his stats plummit? He losses there too. I'm all for getting a degree, but these guys retired in their 30s, they can go back to school and still be treated like a god!

FRPLG · 01-15-2005, 01:33 AM

Everyone has a limit to the years left in which their talent will be sufficient to suceed at the NFL level. He is essentially wasting on of those years. And lets be honest...this has nothing to do with getting a degree...i have no idea what his status is but I'd guess he is only half a semester away from a degree either way. He'll probably end up working on grad classes to retain eligibility. This is a bad move made for the sole reason of trying to win a third National Championship and the Heisman again. That gives him what? A gerater sense of pride at most. It certainly doesn't add anything in terms of stature and draft status. His status cannot go higher at this point so this is a bad decision for him but its his call so who are we to quibble with it I guess.

Defensewins · 01-15-2005, 10:24 AM

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Originally Posted by FRPLG

Everyone has a limit to the years left in which their talent will be sufficient to suceed at the NFL level. He is essentially wasting on of those years. And lets be honest...this has nothing to do with getting a degree...i have no idea what his status is but I'd guess he is only half a semester away from a degree either way. He'll probably end up working on grad classes to retain eligibility. This is a bad move made for the sole reason of trying to win a third National Championship and the Heisman again. That gives him what? A gerater sense of pride at most. It certainly doesn't add anything in terms of stature and draft status. His status cannot go higher at this point so this is a bad decision for him but its his call so who are we to quibble with it I guess.

Great post FRPLG!

USC is returnning a lot of players from the 2004 team, so his chances to win another national title and Heisman are strong.
However, he is ready to progress and take the next step as a player and playing against weak college and PAC 10 defenses is just NOT going to help him improve as a player. You are only as good as the competition you play against and college defenses are miles away from NFL defenses. He is holding back his development in a serious way for selfish reasons.."so he can say he won three titles and 2 Heisman trophies.
The main reason I do not like his choice is... a players body only has so much football mileage in it. The average NFL football players career is something like 3.5 years. He is trading one year of college for one year less of NFL. Not a smart trade off. Plus an NFL title has more weight than a NCAA title.

GoSkins! · 01-15-2005, 11:02 AM

You guys crack me up. You talk as if you take it personally that he wants to stay in college for his last year, like he is stealing a year of his usefulness from the NFL. The fact is he can get more prepared for a pro career by staying in school one more year, and he can have fun doing it.
I think that he is probably smart enough to take some kind of insurance policy out in case he gets hurt (the same way Manning did). Also, when did football become all about money? Yes, he could cost himself millions if he gets hurt or his team doesn't perform... or... the NFL could restructure its salary cap with the new TV agreements being reached with disney, Matt and USC have a great year, and he makes millions more.
If I were a player, I'd follow the Manning example. Stay in school, insure yourself, hone the more precise passing in the senior year so that the NFL leap wont be as difficult, and work on any weaknesses.
It sounds like a "Gibbs guy" doesn't it? The football and records are way more important than the money. I'd like a whole team full of guys that think like that.

Defensewins · 01-15-2005, 12:51 PM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

You guys crack me up. You talk as if you take it personally that he wants to stay in college for his last year, like he is stealing a year of his usefulness from the NFL. The fact is he can get more prepared for a pro career by staying in school one more year, and he can have fun doing it.
I think that he is probably smart enough to take some kind of insurance policy out in case he gets hurt (the same way Manning did). Also, when did football become all about money? Yes, he could cost himself millions if he gets hurt or his team doesn't perform... or... the NFL could restructure its salary cap with the new TV agreements being reached with disney, Matt and USC have a great year, and he makes millions more.
If I were a player, I'd follow the Manning example. Stay in school, insure yourself, hone the more precise passing in the senior year so that the NFL leap wont be as difficult, and work on any weaknesses.
It sounds like a "Gibbs guy" doesn't it? The football and records are way more important than the money. I'd like a whole team full of guys that think like that.

I am not taking it personally, I am just giving my own opinion. Did I sound angry?
An insurance policy only covers for career ending inury, not an injury that will lower his draft position and cost him millions (see Willis McGahee).
Playing well and dominating in college football does not translate into playing well in the NFL. In fact the example you gave of Peyton Manning, he did not have a great rookie year, 26TD's and 28 INT's. It took a full year of NFL experience before he became great. In contrast Ben Roethlisberger came out his junior year is having a great rookie year. So serving all four years in college does not mean you will have a smaller learning curve.
The only way to become a great NFL QB is by gaining experience against the great and complex NFL defense's as soon as you are physically and mentally ready. The sooner the better.
Plus the offensive system you run at your college may not be the same that your NFL team will be running, so you most likley will have learn a whole new system.

GoSkins! · 01-15-2005, 01:31 PM

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Originally Posted by Defensewins

He is holding back his development in a serious way for selfish reasons.."so he can say he won three titles and 2 Heisman trophies.
The main reason I do not like his choice is... a players body only has so much football mileage in it. The average NFL football players career is something like 3.5 years. He is trading one year of college for one year less of NFL. Not a smart trade off. Plus an NFL title has more weight than a NCAA title.

These were the comments I thought were a little off base.
Selfish? For what? Staying in college and holding off from the NFL for one more year is not selfish.

Also, good NFL QB's have a longer shelf life than 3.5 years. So, are we concerned about the money one more NFL year will deliver or the chance for more accomplishments at the NFL level? In my opinion, money wont be a problem for him and where he wants to accomplish things is certainly a choice that he can make.

I disagree with the idea that because the college defenses are easier to exploit, he needs to jump right into the NFL. Take for example Calculus. To really be able to exploit Calculus, you have to have a total mastery of Algebra, Trig, and other Math fundamentals. If you are pretty good at the lower level stuff, you can usually learn Calculus, but you really can't exploit what it can do. In other words you end up going through the motions, getting the problems right, but not really learning how to open it up to it's full potential. I think that playing QB is the same thing. You have to have a complete mastery of the basics at every level below the NFL to fully exploit the NFL QB position. It all about how comfortable can you get in a complicated system and I disagree with someone saying that the best option is to jump ahead. At best, jumping ahead is a crap shoot.

I do agree with you guys that the NFL is where he will really develop his skills. The talent is, of course, much better and there are few powderpuff teams (if any). Performing at the pro level will determine if he is truely a great player. When he decides to make that leap, we will see. If he is a Ryan Leaf or a Heath Schuller (sp) , he will be glad he set the records in college so that he can look back at those successes.

Defensewins · 01-15-2005, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by GoSkins!

......Take for example Calculus. To really be able to exploit Calculus, you have to have a total mastery of Algebra, Trig, and other Math fundamentals. If you are pretty good at the lower level stuff, you can usually learn Calculus, but you really can't exploit what it can do. ....

I have to agree with Daseal, he won two national champioships and the heisman trophy (awarded to the "best" college football player in the nation). There is only one direction to go when you are at the top, that is down.

Regarding your Calculus comparison, if you take all the math fundamentals and get an "A+" excellent, top scores in your class, you are wasting your time repeating those courses again. Why take Algebra 2 with trig for a second time if you scored an A+?

01-14-2005, 07:02 PM	#1
Cush Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Northern Virginia Age: 47 Posts: 963	Leinart staying at USC guess he didn't want to go to SF

01-14-2005, 07:28 PM	#2
Gmanc711 Thank You, Sean. Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Gaithersburg, MD Age: 39 Posts: 7,506	Just give them the Trophy now and cancel the College Football season next year. I'm suprised he is staying, but cant fault him for doing what he really wants and not following the pressure. __________________ #21

01-14-2005, 08:28 PM	#4
azskinsfan2 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, Arizona Age: 67 Posts: 232	I surely hope he doesn't get badly hurt next year,(knock on wood). Good luck to him. Wish more players would stick around like that. __________________ Long live Sonny J!!! Rock on Redskins!!!!!!

01-15-2005, 11:02 AM	#12
GoSkins! The Starter Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Yorktown, Va Age: 55 Posts: 1,587	You guys crack me up. You talk as if you take it personally that he wants to stay in college for his last year, like he is stealing a year of his usefulness from the NFL. The fact is he can get more prepared for a pro career by staying in school one more year, and he can have fun doing it. I think that he is probably smart enough to take some kind of insurance policy out in case he gets hurt (the same way Manning did). Also, when did football become all about money? Yes, he could cost himself millions if he gets hurt or his team doesn't perform... or... the NFL could restructure its salary cap with the new TV agreements being reached with disney, Matt and USC have a great year, and he makes millions more. If I were a player, I'd follow the Manning example. Stay in school, insure yourself, hone the more precise passing in the senior year so that the NFL leap wont be as difficult, and work on any weaknesses. It sounds like a "Gibbs guy" doesn't it? The football and records are way more important than the money. I'd like a whole team full of guys that think like that. __________________ Not everything that counts can be counted, and not everything that can be counted counts. A. Einstien

01-14-2005, 08:04 PM	#3
itvnetop Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Los Angeles, CA Age: 47 Posts: 3,007	i'm surprised myself... in the present era of makin' millions while you can, this move is pretty throw-back... matt impresses me to no end. regardless, it was a decision i wouldn't have made.

01-14-2005, 08:47 PM	#5
Dirtbag Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 142	As a Cal fan living in Berkeley, this is terrible news. Cal beat USC two seasons ago, should have beaten them last season, but I don't know if we have a shot of overtaking them in the Pac-10 with Leinart back. Gotta like the kid's loyalty to his school, though.

01-14-2005, 08:57 PM	#6
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Leinhart could have a bad season and drop him to a low pick. He may have just cost himself millions.

01-14-2005, 10:19 PM	#7
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Bad decision, just plain bad.

01-14-2005, 10:55 PM	#8
skin4Life28 Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Raleigh, NC Age: 38 Posts: 447	How can you sit and say that it was a bad decision honestly? The man is on the verge of leading his team to a third straight national championship which has never been done. He will more than likely win the heisman again, unless reggie bush or adrian peterson takes it but I doubt it. He will get his money in do time. He enjoys playing football. This is his last year to actually play football before it becomes a business not a sport. Not many people will agree with his decision nor should they its not theres. Good job Matt on doing something that you want to do and not giving in to the greed like most players.

01-14-2005, 11:48 PM	#9
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	I'll tell you why - one injury away from having a "college degree" that he probably didn't even earn (most top notch players don't) and football is his livelyhood. Willis McGahee lost tons of cash because of his injury, luckily he was able to rehab it, but it just goes to show what one bad play can do. Not to mention, what if his role players get hurt and his stats plummit? He losses there too. I'm all for getting a degree, but these guys retired in their 30s, they can go back to school and still be treated like a god!

01-15-2005, 01:33 AM	#10
FRPLG MVP Join Date: May 2004 Age: 46 Posts: 10,164	Everyone has a limit to the years left in which their talent will be sufficient to suceed at the NFL level. He is essentially wasting on of those years. And lets be honest...this has nothing to do with getting a degree...i have no idea what his status is but I'd guess he is only half a semester away from a degree either way. He'll probably end up working on grad classes to retain eligibility. This is a bad move made for the sole reason of trying to win a third National Championship and the Heisman again. That gives him what? A gerater sense of pride at most. It certainly doesn't add anything in terms of stature and draft status. His status cannot go higher at this point so this is a bad decision for him but its his call so who are we to quibble with it I guess.

Leinart staying at USC

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