Monk vs. Irvin

Skins fan 44 · 01-11-2005, 07:29 PM

Just saw where Michael Irving up up for Hall of Fame. I am sure that he will make it. I was just thinking, I dont know all the stats but arent Monk's better? Doesn't Monk have more records (or did until Rice broke them all)? I will be so pissed this August if Irving gets in and not Monk.

d151b · 01-11-2005, 07:33 PM

Irvin will probably be held out a few years given his prowiss(sp) for cocaine and hookers...... lol

d151b · 01-11-2005, 07:34 PM

P.S. Irving is the name of the town where the Cowboys play.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-11-2005, 08:18 PM

The ballot this year is crowded so I don't know if Irvin will get in just yet. But Michael Irvin will get in before Art Monk.

You don't have to like that or agree with that, but I fear it is merely a fact.

azskinsfan2 · 01-11-2005, 08:28 PM

Unfortunately, I'm afraid you're probably right. Monk should get in long before Irvin. When Monk retired he had all the records, and he was a class guy, unlike what has been mentioned before about Irvin. Irvin gets more attention because of his loud style, (Monk was quite and just did his job). Marino and Young will almost definitely get in on the first ballot (and probably Irvin too). I hate to see that. Monk should really be in and Grimm too!!!

jamf · 01-11-2005, 08:24 PM

monk:
catches yards ypc TD
940 12721 13.5 68

irvin:

750 11904 15.9 65

skinsguy · 01-11-2005, 09:21 PM

I think Monk will get in this year.....

Don't think Grimm will for awhile...maybe next year if the Steelers when the SB...

kingerock · 01-11-2005, 09:24 PM

No one is campaigning on behalf of Monk, so he will sit on the sideline until there is a weak class for them to lump him with.

I think it's a shame he hasn't been voted in yet, especially last season with the ones who made it ahead of him, but I think until a very active campaign is made on his behalf, he will get overlooked for quite some time.

SASpen00XIII · 01-11-2005, 09:45 PM

Wilbon from the Post and PTI fame has said he's pushed for Monk for several years to no success. I think its just a case of Art Monk having a quiet attitude and not being known as a flashy, "big time" WR. He just went out and did his job. You would think setting both the single season and all time catch records would get you somewhere, particularly in a non-West Coast power running offense that Gibbs ran. That and playing for Joe T, Doug Willams, Jay Schrader, and Mark Rypien in his career. Not that I'm bitter or anything....

TheMalcolmConnection · 01-11-2005, 10:02 PM

d151b, I think that character should have a huge say in whether a person is included in the Hall of Fame or not. Michael Irvin's penchant for debauchery was a little extreme in most ways. Most people love the type of debauchery with a little booze and a few loose women. Irvin liked the type of hookers and a little "sniff sniff".

It is not justice that Monk will most likely be differed AGAIN, even though that may be the nature of the beast.

sportscurmudgeon · 01-12-2005, 12:25 AM

I suspect that "character" will only be part of the equation in the negative sense and not the positive sense. If someone is CONVICTED or PLEADS GUILTY to something that is pretty outrageous, then he might be kept out of the HoF, but all the good works and solid citizenry in the world won't get anyone in. I still wonder what the HoF would have done if the jury had found OJ guilty...

One problem is that there are too many players in the HoF - and some coaches too - who were not universally nice people if you looked carefully at their entire life. Let me use Lawrence Taylor as an example; he was the best OLB to play the game, but he's not exactly the person I'd like my children to grow up to be. And there are others...

Michael Irvin was no saint by any stretch of the imagination but nothing pinned on him was outrageous, so I doubt that he will kept out of Canton because of his off-field notoriety.

offiss · 01-12-2005, 12:30 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

d151b, I think that character should have a huge say in whether a person is included in the Hall of Fame or not. Michael Irvin's penchant for debauchery was a little extreme in most ways. Most people love the type of debauchery with a little booze and a few loose women. Irvin liked the type of hookers and a little "sniff sniff".

It is not justice that Monk will most likely be differed AGAIN, even though that may be the nature of the beast.

It's pretty funny that the same people that would put Irving into the hall and leave out Monk, are the same people that keep crying about Moss's little celebration in the end zone on sunday, I guess Randy was just making sure he get's voted in on the first ballot! what a joke!

SmootSmack · 01-12-2005, 12:40 AM

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Originally Posted by offiss

It's pretty funny that the same people that would put Irving into the hall and leave out Monk, are the same people that keep crying about Moss's little celebration in the end zone on sunday, I guess Randy was just making sure he get's voted in on the first ballot! what a joke!

nice point

jamf · 01-12-2005, 01:30 AM

offiss hit it right on the head.

TO does that stupid shit for the publicity, same with joe horn. he did that so he could make the a name for himself.

art monk rarely did interviews. too bad for him the reporters are the ones voting him in.

why do you think tampa bays defence was so "talented"? because berman likes them and they are on sports center every single day. it's fucking rediculous. how many times have you seen mike alstott on the plays of the week for a 3 yard run...

CROOKEDSKINS · 01-12-2005, 01:30 AM

Monk had more catches and yards then Swann and Stallworth combined and they got in before him.And they cant say its a ring thing cause he has 3.But i think he will get in this year.

01-11-2005, 07:29 PM	#1
Skins fan 44 Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Brazil, IN Age: 54 Posts: 883	Monk vs. Irvin Just saw where Michael Irving up up for Hall of Fame. I am sure that he will make it. I was just thinking, I dont know all the stats but arent Monk's better? Doesn't Monk have more records (or did until Rice broke them all)? I will be so pissed this August if Irving gets in and not Monk. __________________ HTTR!

01-11-2005, 08:18 PM	#4
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	The ballot this year is crowded so I don't know if Irvin will get in just yet. But Michael Irvin will get in before Art Monk. You don't have to like that or agree with that, but I fear it is merely a fact. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

01-11-2005, 08:28 PM	#5
azskinsfan2 Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Tucson, Arizona Age: 67 Posts: 232	Unfortunately, I'm afraid you're probably right. Monk should get in long before Irvin. When Monk retired he had all the records, and he was a class guy, unlike what has been mentioned before about Irvin. Irvin gets more attention because of his loud style, (Monk was quite and just did his job). Marino and Young will almost definitely get in on the first ballot (and probably Irvin too). I hate to see that. Monk should really be in and Grimm too!!! __________________ Long live Sonny J!!! Rock on Redskins!!!!!!

01-11-2005, 09:24 PM	#8
kingerock Special Teams Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Killeen, TX Age: 48 Posts: 360	No one is campaigning on behalf of Monk, so he will sit on the sideline until there is a weak class for them to lump him with. I think it's a shame he hasn't been voted in yet, especially last season with the ones who made it ahead of him, but I think until a very active campaign is made on his behalf, he will get overlooked for quite some time. __________________ Redskins fan lost in Texas for 20 years. Need a ride to D.C.

01-11-2005, 09:45 PM	#9
SASpen00XIII Camp Scrub Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Chapel Hill, NC Age: 45 Posts: 20	Art Should be in Canton Wilbon from the Post and PTI fame has said he's pushed for Monk for several years to no success. I think its just a case of Art Monk having a quiet attitude and not being known as a flashy, "big time" WR. He just went out and did his job. You would think setting both the single season and all time catch records would get you somewhere, particularly in a non-West Coast power running offense that Gibbs ran. That and playing for Joe T, Doug Willams, Jay Schrader, and Mark Rypien in his career. Not that I'm bitter or anything.... __________________ "Great players make great plays." Joe Theismann

01-11-2005, 07:33 PM	#2
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	Irvin will probably be held out a few years given his prowiss(sp) for cocaine and hookers...... lol

01-11-2005, 07:34 PM	#3
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	P.S. Irving is the name of the town where the Cowboys play.

01-11-2005, 08:24 PM	#6
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,296	monk: catches yards ypc TD 940 12721 13.5 68 irvin: 750 11904 15.9 65

01-11-2005, 09:21 PM	#7
skinsguy Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Greensboro, North Carolina Posts: 6,766	I think Monk will get in this year..... Don't think Grimm will for awhile...maybe next year if the Steelers when the SB...

01-11-2005, 10:02 PM	#10
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Lexington, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,225	d151b, I think that character should have a huge say in whether a person is included in the Hall of Fame or not. Michael Irvin's penchant for debauchery was a little extreme in most ways. Most people love the type of debauchery with a little booze and a few loose women. Irvin liked the type of hookers and a little "sniff sniff". It is not justice that Monk will most likely be differed AGAIN, even though that may be the nature of the beast. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

01-12-2005, 12:25 AM	#11
sportscurmudgeon Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,159	I suspect that "character" will only be part of the equation in the negative sense and not the positive sense. If someone is CONVICTED or PLEADS GUILTY to something that is pretty outrageous, then he might be kept out of the HoF, but all the good works and solid citizenry in the world won't get anyone in. I still wonder what the HoF would have done if the jury had found OJ guilty... One problem is that there are too many players in the HoF - and some coaches too - who were not universally nice people if you looked carefully at their entire life. Let me use Lawrence Taylor as an example; he was the best OLB to play the game, but he's not exactly the person I'd like my children to grow up to be. And there are others... Michael Irvin was no saint by any stretch of the imagination but nothing pinned on him was outrageous, so I doubt that he will kept out of Canton because of his off-field notoriety. __________________ The Sports Curmudgeon www.sportscurmudgeon.com But don't get me wrong, I love sports...

01-12-2005, 01:30 AM	#14
jamf Pro Bowl Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: San Diego Ca Posts: 5,296	offiss hit it right on the head. TO does that stupid shit for the publicity, same with joe horn. he did that so he could make the a name for himself. art monk rarely did interviews. too bad for him the reporters are the ones voting him in. why do you think tampa bays defence was so "talented"? because berman likes them and they are on sports center every single day. it's fucking rediculous. how many times have you seen mike alstott on the plays of the week for a 3 yard run...

01-12-2005, 01:30 AM	#15
CROOKEDSKINS Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: KEY WEST FL Age: 52 Posts: 93	Monk had more catches and yards then Swann and Stallworth combined and they got in before him.And they cant say its a ring thing cause he has 3.But i think he will get in this year.

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