Cardinals give up huge bounty to acquire Kolb

D'BOYZ · 07-28-2011, 04:14 PM

Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 28, 2011, 3:02 PM EDT

After a while, all of the “Kevin Kolb trade is close” reports started to remind us of the reports that said the “labor deal is close.”
Thankfully, this deal didn’t take as long to close.
Adam Caplan of FOXSports.com reports Kolb is headed to Arizona in exchange for a second-round pick and 2009 Pro Bowl cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie.
That’s a ton to give up for an unproven quarterback, but the Cardinals were only getting started betting their future on Kolb. Caplan reports Kolb will sign a five-year, $63 million contract with $20 million guaranteed.
(Kolb can head to Arizona now, but league rules indicate he can’t start practicing until the league year starts on August 4.)
The guaranteed money is less than Kolb was reportedly asking for, but still more than a quarterback with seven uneven career starts. Houston made a similar deal for Matt Schaub which worked out, although they didn’t give up a solid young starting cornerback in that deal.
What a gamble. The move will define the rest of the Ken Whisenhunt/Rod Graves era in Arizona.
They were absolutely desperate for a quarterback solution in the desert, and they acted like it.

freddyg12 · 07-28-2011, 04:24 PM

Andy Reid is also gambling here a little; they're going w/Vick all the way. They will likely sign a vet backup but will he be good enough when (not if) Vick goes down? I just don't see Vick having another year like last year, I think he was at his best & might be good again, but not as much & he's always had trouble staying healthy.

NYCskinfan82 · 07-28-2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by freddyg12

Andy Reid is also gambling here a little; they're going w/Vick all the way. They will likely sign a vet backup but will he be good enough when (not if) Vick goes down? I just don't see Vick having another year like last year, I think he was at his best & might be good again, but not as much & he's always had trouble staying healthy.

We have to stop them (shegles) from signing VY. arizona got robbed overpayed for corn on the kolb what makes him better than Beck.

sportscurmudgeon · 07-28-2011, 05:30 PM

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Originally Posted by NYCskinfan82

We have to stop them (shegles) from signing VY. arizona got robbed overpayed for corn on the kolb what makes him better than Beck.

Count the number of games in which Kolb and Beck passed for 300+ yards...

Compare those two numbers...

12thMan · 07-28-2011, 04:27 PM

No way in hell Vick duplicates last year. He was playing out of his mind. Even if there's a slight drop off, however, he's still playing at Pro-Bowl level. He was just nuts last year.

I don't know, but I think the Skins can compete for the division next year. I really do.

I'm so happy to be talking about football! Damn it feels good!

SFREDSKIN · 07-28-2011, 04:30 PM

A huge bounty is what the Redskins gave Haynesworth $100 Million, no comparison.

NC_Skins · 07-28-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

A bounty is what the Redskins gave Haynesworth $100 Million, no comparison.

At least Haynesworthless showed 2 promising years. Kolb hasn't shown remotely that.

I'm hoping for a double whammy in this trade. Kolb fails miserably, and Vick gets injured and the Eagles fall on their face with no legit backup. It's going to mean the end of 2 coaching jobs...lol

apiatt · 07-28-2011, 04:39 PM

I'm guessing the Eagles have a decent backup plan if they are willing to move Kolb. I know they got a nice haul in return for him, but there is no way Vick plays all 16 games. They must have a Vince Young or someone else in mind that can be a capable backup, because betting on Vick for a full season is crazy.

On the Cardinals end, they had to do something. They are in a very winnable division and there quarterback play was pretty bad last year. And while they had to give and good young player and a high pick to get him, this is the state that the NFL is in right now. Teams are going to overpay for any kind of quarterback that has any chance of being a solid starter.

MTK · 07-28-2011, 04:31 PM

AH didn't get $100M from us in true money.

$20M isn't a huge bounty? Damn I'm in the wrong biz.

Ruhskins · 07-28-2011, 04:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

AH didn't get $100M from us in true money.

And Kolb is being signed on pure potential. If Kolb is a bust, AZ would have lost a young starting CB and a 2nd round. At least with AH all we lost was money that was dumped off during the cap-less year.

SFREDSKIN · 07-28-2011, 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

AH didn't get $100M from us in true money.

Ok, he took away $36 Million, fleeced the front office on April 1st (April fools) last year for $21 million. Was that not enough for what he put on the field?

Ruhskins · 07-28-2011, 04:40 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Ok, he took away $36 Million, fleeced the front office on April 1st (April fools) last year for $21 million. Was that not enough for what he put on the field?

Yes, but Haynesworth didn't cost us a 2nd rounder and a starting CB. Had there been no cap-less year, then we would be in trouble right now. But besides money, there hasn't been that big of a damage from the Haynesworth fiasco.

If Kolb fails, it would set back AZ for a year or two. It would wast a year of Larry Fitzgerald. You lose the guaranteed money, which affects your cap. And you lose a starting CB and a 2nd rounder. That is a lot of damage gambling on a guy that only started 7 games.

12thMan · 07-28-2011, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Ok, he took away $36 Million, fleeced the front office on April 1st (April fools) last year for $21 million. Was that not enough for what he put on the field?

True, but we're still kinda comparing apples and oranges here. AH was a bad signing by any stretch, but the Skins didn't have a Lombardi in mind after they signed Haynesworth.

The Cards have the entire franchise riding on Kevin Kolb and he hasn't proven at this level that he's capable of delivering on such a promise. All it would take is a few non-playoff appearances for someone in AZ to be on the hot seat.

MTK · 07-28-2011, 04:42 PM

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Originally Posted by SFREDSKIN

Ok, he took away $36 Million, fleeced the front office on April 1st (April fools) last year for $21 million. Was that not enough for what he put on the field?

I'd say $20M and a player is a steep price for a QB with 7 starts.

What's this got to do with AH anyway?

Lotus · 07-28-2011, 04:50 PM

If Kolb is the real deal then Arizona won this trade.

If not, look out.

07-28-2011, 04:14 PM	#1
D'BOYZ The Starter Join Date: Aug 2005 Posts: 1,363	Cardinals give up huge bounty to acquire Kolb Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on July 28, 2011, 3:02 PM EDT After a while, all of the “Kevin Kolb trade is close” reports started to remind us of the reports that said the “labor deal is close.” Thankfully, this deal didn’t take as long to close. Adam Caplan of FOXSports.com reports Kolb is headed to Arizona in exchange for a second-round pick and 2009 Pro Bowl cornerback Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie. That’s a ton to give up for an unproven quarterback, but the Cardinals were only getting started betting their future on Kolb. Caplan reports Kolb will sign a five-year, $63 million contract with $20 million guaranteed. (Kolb can head to Arizona now, but league rules indicate he can’t start practicing until the league year starts on August 4.) The guaranteed money is less than Kolb was reportedly asking for, but still more than a quarterback with seven uneven career starts. Houston made a similar deal for Matt Schaub which worked out, although they didn’t give up a solid young starting cornerback in that deal. What a gamble. The move will define the rest of the Ken Whisenhunt/Rod Graves era in Arizona. They were absolutely desperate for a quarterback solution in the desert, and they acted like it.

07-28-2011, 04:24 PM	#2
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Cardinals give up huge bounty to acquire Kolb Andy Reid is also gambling here a little; they're going w/Vick all the way. They will likely sign a vet backup but will he be good enough when (not if) Vick goes down? I just don't see Vick having another year like last year, I think he was at his best & might be good again, but not as much & he's always had trouble staying healthy.

07-28-2011, 04:27 PM	#5
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Cardinals give up huge bounty to acquire Kolb No way in hell Vick duplicates last year. He was playing out of his mind. Even if there's a slight drop off, however, he's still playing at Pro-Bowl level. He was just nuts last year. I don't know, but I think the Skins can compete for the division next year. I really do. I'm so happy to be talking about football! Damn it feels good!

07-28-2011, 04:30 PM	#6
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Cardinals give up huge bounty to acquire Kolb A huge bounty is what the Redskins gave Haynesworth $100 Million, no comparison. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

07-28-2011, 04:39 PM	#8
apiatt Camp Scrub Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Newton, IA Posts: 34	Re: Cardinals give up huge bounty to acquire Kolb I'm guessing the Eagles have a decent backup plan if they are willing to move Kolb. I know they got a nice haul in return for him, but there is no way Vick plays all 16 games. They must have a Vince Young or someone else in mind that can be a capable backup, because betting on Vick for a full season is crazy. On the Cardinals end, they had to do something. They are in a very winnable division and there quarterback play was pretty bad last year. And while they had to give and good young player and a high pick to get him, this is the state that the NFL is in right now. Teams are going to overpay for any kind of quarterback that has any chance of being a solid starter.

07-28-2011, 04:31 PM	#9
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