Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer?

MTK · 06-29-2011, 10:20 PM

T.O. should be a first-ballot Hall of Famer, but . . . . | ProFootballTalk

I think he should be without a doubt, his numbers are undeniable, what do you think?

SmootSmack · 06-29-2011, 10:29 PM

There are a lot of really really good receivers who arguably should be but aren't. But TO is one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

No doubt he should be in the Hall of Fame, but first ballot is another thing. I think he should be, but I feel voters may make him sweat it out for a bit.

It's too bad, because he practices extremely hard, has been one of the games best receivers for over a decade, and has never had any serious issues with the law. But you can't repeatedly throw your QBs under the bus and not expect that to come back and haunt you.

GMScud · 06-29-2011, 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

There are a lot of really really good receivers who arguably should be but aren't. But TO is one of the best WRs to ever play the game.

No doubt he should be in the Hall of Fame, but first ballot is another thing. I think he should be, but I feel voters may make him sweat it out for a bit.

It's too bad, because he practices extremely hard, has been one of the games best receivers for over a decade, and has never had any serious issues with the law. But you can't repeatedly throw your QBs under the bus and not expect that to come back and haunt you.

Yeah, he's a been a cancer to his quarterbacks for sure, but his numbers are undeniable. Stats-wise he's probably a top 3 receiver all time. He works his tail off and has never had any off the field transgressions legally. I've never liked TO, but in my mind he's without question a first-ballot HOF'er.

SmootSmack · 06-29-2011, 11:56 PM

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Yeah, he's a been a cancer to his quarterbacks for sure, but his numbers are undeniable. Stats-wise he's probably a top 3 receiver all time. He works his tail off and has never had any off the field transgressions legally. I've never liked TO, but in my mind he's without question a first-ballot HOF'er.

Just to reiterate, I think he should be. I just wouldn't be surprised if he isn't. I think it's a shame when he gets lumped in with the "lawless thugs" when really his issues are far different

SFREDSKIN · 06-30-2011, 12:18 AM

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Just to reiterate, I think he should be. I just wouldn't be surprised if he isn't. I think it's a shame when he gets lumped in with the "lawless thugs" when really his issues are far different

TO learned his egotistical ways from none other than Jerry Rice (trust me, he did) and went further and became a pest to all his QB's. As for a Lawless thug, he has always had a good heart outside the field and has helped many people in many ways. Hard to figure him out.

SmootSmack · 06-30-2011, 12:33 AM

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TO learned his egotistical ways from none other than Jerry Rice (trust me, he did) and went further and became a pest to all his QB's. As for a Lawless thug, he has always had a good heart outside the field and has helped many people in many ways. Hard to figure him out.

Yeah, I know all about Rice's egotistical ways. But like TO, aside from the "prostitution" incident, never any real off-field issues.

Here's a question for you guys (not to take this thread too far off topic). If you had to choose one-who goes in 1st ballot. TO or Marvin Harrison?

Let's say TO's career is over: Here are his numbers-15 years; 1,078 receptions; 15,934 yards; 156 TDs

Harrison-13 years; 1,102 receptions; 14,580 yards; 128 TDs

One a complete loner who often wouldn't even go into team huddles, the other invites the young WRs on the team to live and train with him in the off-season. One of them has thrown almost all his QBs under the bus, the other played with one of the best of all time. One of them has never had a serious issue with the law, the other....curiously involved in a fatal shooting.

skinsfaninok · 06-29-2011, 10:39 PM

YES Not even a Q.. 2nd best WR I've ever seen.

SFREDSKIN · 06-29-2011, 10:49 PM

Yes. He has the #'s.

sportscurmudgeon · 06-30-2011, 01:57 PM

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YES Not even a Q.. 2nd best WR I've ever seen.

Just curious, who's the best?

SmootSmack · 06-30-2011, 01:58 PM

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Just curious, who's the best?

Uh oh...is that the sound of Don Hutson bandwagon revving up?

sportscurmudgeon · 06-30-2011, 02:04 PM

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Uh oh...is that the sound of Don Hutson bandwagon revving up?

NOT at all. Jerry Rice is the best I ever saw but I was curious who someone else might have at #1.

Lotus · 06-30-2011, 02:24 PM

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Uh oh...is that the sound of Don Hutson bandwagon revving up?

Tom Fears baby.

Monkeydad · 06-30-2011, 03:19 PM

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Uh oh...is that the sound of Don Hutson bandwagon revving up?

Fred Biletnikoff or Raymond Berry

I can't decide!

Dirtbag59 · 06-29-2011, 10:55 PM

He's the one of the few receivers I can think of that almost single handily (or as close to single handily one can be in football) won his team a Super Bowl, and anyone knows that knows me knows thats about the highest compliment I can give a wideout.

Damn right he's a first ballot hall of famer.

Right now T.O is probably the second best receiver of all time. However I think if Fitz can get a QB one day he'll be passed by Larry. Andre Johnson will also probably surpass T.O one day. No one will ever pass Jerry.

Can anyone imagine how celebrated he would be if it wasn't for all the antics and me first attitude? He has an amazing work ethic and unlike many receivers he's willing to go over the middle, never got in trouble with the law either. Which all to often gets overshadowed by fights with teammates, feuds with QB's/coaches, and overall being a bad teammate.

Jontrem · 06-30-2011, 11:46 AM

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He's the one of the few receivers I can think of that almost single handily (or as close to single handily one can be in football) won his team a Super Bowl, and anyone knows that knows me knows thats about the highest compliment I can give a wideout.

Damn right he's a first ballot hall of famer.

Right now T.O is probably the second best receiver of all time. However I think if Fitz can get a QB one day he'll be passed by Larry. Andre Johnson will also probably surpass T.O one day. No one will ever pass Jerry.

Can anyone imagine how celebrated he would be if it wasn't for all the antics and me first attitude? He has an amazing work ethic and unlike many receivers he's willing to go over the middle, never got in trouble with the law either. Which all to often gets overshadowed by fights with teammates, feuds with QB's/coaches, and overall being a bad teammate.

Not sure if I am misunderstanding you but TO never won a superbowl that I can think of. Did you mean he did so much to get them to a superbowl?

06-29-2011, 10:29 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? There are a lot of really really good receivers who arguably should be but aren't. But TO is one of the best WRs to ever play the game. No doubt he should be in the Hall of Fame, but first ballot is another thing. I think he should be, but I feel voters may make him sweat it out for a bit. It's too bad, because he practices extremely hard, has been one of the games best receivers for over a decade, and has never had any serious issues with the law. But you can't repeatedly throw your QBs under the bus and not expect that to come back and haunt you. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

06-29-2011, 10:39 PM	#7
skinsfaninok Warpath Hall of Fame Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: UNITED STATES Age: 38 Posts: 36,145	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? YES Not even a Q.. 2nd best WR I've ever seen. __________________ “Mediocre people don’t like high achievers, and high achievers don’t like mediocre people.” ― Nick Saban

06-29-2011, 10:49 PM	#8
SFREDSKIN Living Legend Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Pacifica, CA Posts: 15,164	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? Yes. He has the #'s. __________________ Joe Gibbs- The best coach of all time, Lombardi trophy should be renamed Gibbs. Art Monk- Art was like an OL playing WR, doing the dirty work and not getting the glory. Darrell Green- Best DB ever. Purveyor of fine Filth

06-29-2011, 10:55 PM	#14
Dirtbag59 Naega jeil jal naga Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Atlanta, Georgia From: Silver Spring, Maryland Age: 39 Posts: 14,750	Re: Should T.O. be a first ballot Hall of Famer? He's the one of the few receivers I can think of that almost single handily (or as close to single handily one can be in football) won his team a Super Bowl, and anyone knows that knows me knows thats about the highest compliment I can give a wideout. Damn right he's a first ballot hall of famer. Right now T.O is probably the second best receiver of all time. However I think if Fitz can get a QB one day he'll be passed by Larry. Andre Johnson will also probably surpass T.O one day. No one will ever pass Jerry. Can anyone imagine how celebrated he would be if it wasn't for all the antics and me first attitude? He has an amazing work ethic and unlike many receivers he's willing to go over the middle, never got in trouble with the law either. Which all to often gets overshadowed by fights with teammates, feuds with QB's/coaches, and overall being a bad teammate. __________________ "It's nice to be important, but its more important to be nice." - Scooter "I feel like Dirtbag has been slowly and methodically trolling the board for a month or so now." - FRPLG

06-29-2011, 10:20 PM	#1
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