free agency 2011

[skinster]

2011 NFL Free Agents

I don't know if there are any better sites, but this is what I use for research. What free agents do you think we should pursue? Normally I'd assume that most of these guys would be locked up by seasons end, but with teams being reluctant to extend players due to no cba in place, I think that alot of guys will hit the market this year.

Don't just list off big name guys trying to build a pro-bowl roster. Remember, we have a salary cap to work with, and the price tag for the guys on the top of the free agent list is getting exponentially larger every year.

I think we will sign many free agents this year. We only have 2 picks in the first 4 rounds, our entire D-line blows, our interior O-line blows, our receiving core blows, and we have thin depth at linebacker. I don't think we will get big name guys...that hasn't worked out for shannahan when he has done that before, but I do think that we will get many non-starting material guys to patch some holes.

I'd say that we get a backup RB like what we were trying to do with johnson and parker (mike bell? kevin faulk?). I don't see portis or williams here next year, and I don't trust Torain to carry the load.

I don't see Holliday or Daniels back next year., and good for us the DL FA market is stacked. If we were to get a big name FA I'd want it to be Shaun Ellis. I also think it is important to get a backup NT. I don't trust Ma'ake to stay healthy. He is too big, old, and injured in the past.

I think we'll get a versitle LB that can do everything ok, but isn't good enough to start anywhere. Probably someone who is predominantly an IlB....but at the same time I don't see Carter back next year.

I see us signing some BS wide reciever in hopes that he pans out to be ok. Sort of like what we did with roydell williams and joey galloway. Maybe Brandon Stokley?

[Jontrem]

If we target a FA WR I hope its someone we can either get cheaply or at least reasonably I would really like Malcom Floyd but think he will demand too much money and will probably end up staying in San Diego. James Jones would be a good signing, with the caveat of not over paying him.

For RB there honestly probably isn't anyone who will represent a good value. The only game changer on that list is Charles and I doubt he will leave KC (or KC will let him leave I should say)

For Oline I think Nicks could be interesting, he is only 25 or 26 and has played on some very good teams in the Pros and college. He is HUGE at like 350 for a guard and would help open some holes for whoever we have running the ball next year. I also think he will be a good value, we would certainly have to pay good money for him but not top tier money.

For DE Victor Abiamiri would be a good cheap addition in my mind (full disclosure he is a ND kid and I am predisposed to like ND players)

For NT Barry Cofield would be a good back up/borderline starter

ILB Barrett Ruud would be awesome had a down year (for him) so may not want too much money

Now obviously I do NOT want us to sign ALL of these people but a few of them would be good additions.

[mredskins]

I know this doesn't exactly go with the theme of the thread but I have been wanting to say it for awhile.

Missing out on Karlos Dansby was a big whiff by the front office, guy has been money in Miami.

[Jontrem]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I know this doesn't exactly go with the theme of the thread but I have been wanting to say it for awhile.

Missing out on Karlos Dansby was a big whiff by the front office, guy has been money in Miami.

The only thing I can think was that he was coming off injuries in 2 of the past 3 years. You can't argue with the guys production that's for sure

[MTK]

Originally Posted by mredskins

I know this doesn't exactly go with the theme of the thread but I have been wanting to say it for awhile.

Missing out on Karlos Dansby was a big whiff by the front office, guy has been money in Miami.

Would have been nice to have landed him but he simply picked Miami.

[SolidSnake84]

do we even know for sure that there will be a 2011 NFL season that is NOT made up of replacement players??/

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by SolidSnake84

do we even know for sure that there will be a 2011 NFL season that is NOT made up of replacement players??/

Yes because the owners are legally forbidden from using replacement players. There will be a season, probably just not an offseason like we're used to.

[SolidSnake84]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yes because the owners are legally forbidden from using replacement players. There will be a season, probably just not an offseason like we're used to.

Then with all the talk of a lockout, and if owners are really forbidden to use replacement players, then what will happen next year??

[DM72]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yes because the owners are legally forbidden from using replacement players. There will be a season, probably just not an offseason like we're used to.

Yep. The players will cave in as soon as training camp is about to end. You see the way these guys spend? No way they sit out a season. Like Patrick Ewing said many years ago, "we make a lot, but we spend a lot".

[CRedskinsRule]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yes because the owners are legally forbidden from using replacement players. There will be a season, probably just not an offseason like we're used to.

I thought I have seen it both ways. Do you know what specifically forbids them from using replacements? I had read a real good article on why the de-certification tact won't be a very effective tool this time around, but now can't seem to find it.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by CRedskinsRule

I thought I have seen it both ways. Do you know what specifically forbids them from using replacements? I had read a real good article on why the de-certification tact won't be a very effective tool this time around, but now can't seem to find it.

I looked for a link but can't find it but I have heard a few (Mort, King, Sheft, Lombardi) say that because of the federal anti trust exemption they have they are not allowed to use replacement workers at a time they are locking workers out.

I'm probably in the minority on this one but I am 100% behind the players. The owners agreed to a deal and then backed out of it. They are trying to expand the regular season for no other reason but greed. You signed a deal, live with it.

Back on topic, I think we will be very aggressive in free agency (whenever it is) at the same time purging much of the carryover roster (Moss, Rabach, Dockery, Portis, Daniels, Carter, Sellers, maybe even Fletcher) in another transition year.

[skinster]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I looked for a link but can't find it but I have heard a few (Mort, King, Sheft, Lombardi) say that because of the federal anti trust exemption they have they are not allowed to use replacement workers at a time they are locking workers out.

I'm probably in the minority on this one but I am 100% behind the players. The owners agreed to a deal and then backed out of it. They are trying to expand the regular season for no other reason but greed. You signed a deal, live with it.

Back on topic, I think we will be very aggressive in free agency (whenever it is) at the same time purging much of the carryover roster (Moss, Rabach, Dockery, Portis, Daniels, Carter, Sellers, maybe even Fletcher) in another transition year.

I very much disagree with you. The CBA expires this year. That is part of the deal the players signed to have these rules expire this year. They should live with the fact that they are making way too much money while the owners profits are diminishing. Theres no way any single player should be making more money than an owner, but it happens....hell a few owners are losing money every year. It is not greed, it is smart business, and it is not cheep, they have the right to not re-new the CBA because that was in the original contract.

[sportscurmudgeon]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

Yes because the owners are legally forbidden from using replacement players. There will be a season, probably just not an offseason like we're used to.

When did Congress pass a bill - - and have a President sign it into law - - saying the owners in the NFL could not use replacement players?

Or did that happen in each and every state where the NFL has a team?

[scott.sharrer]

Originally Posted by sportscurmudgeon

When did Congress pass a bill - - and have a President sign it into law - - saying the owners in the NFL could not use replacement players?

Or did that happen in each and every state where the NFL has a team?

It isn't law as in a federal law. Using the word unlawful was a misuse of the word. After the previous NFL lockout, it was a NFL decision to put in "rules" (since I can't think of a good word to describe it) to prevent replacement players from being used again.

There will be a season next year, I have no doubts, just I think the offseason will be cut really short. Players nor owners, nor the NFL for that matter, want to go without a season because that would be a full year with none of them making money. They owners will still have to pay for their stadium leases and all that crap, would get no endorsement money, would probably see a huge decrease in merchandise sales and so on. So in reality, the NFL, and each team, is in essesence a business, no season means no income.

As far as free agency, I am probably being a homer on this one, but I would actually like to see us do very little. Wait until other teams spend their big money, after that players generally scale down the amount they ask for, sign players to smaller contracts, trade away about 15-20 of our own roster and get draft picks and players that way. We need to go young, stop getting veterans that are 30+ in age. Look at how Philly is doing after taking on a youth movement.

[rypper11]

I want Jolley. If Pat Williams comes back, he'd be a great NT.