Something to consider about the defenses performance

SirClintonPortis · 11-17-2010, 04:45 PM

In 2008, Jim Zorn and the Redskins were riding sky high as they went into Pittsburgh. The offense was performing well and we were winning close games. Then, we faced a real quality opponent who figured out the offense and stonewalled us. In short, they got film on the coach and his tendencies.

I believe that the same thing may happen to Haslett. He's going to get figured out and our performances will be like Denver's circa 2008. We're going to be coughing up 21 points at the very least from here on out.

CRedskinsRule · 11-17-2010, 04:48 PM

That is a scary, but salient point.

MTK · 11-17-2010, 04:53 PM

Haslett has been a DC in this league a long time. I don't see what the Eagles did to indicate their performance was more about "figuring out" the scheme than it was from some super individual efforts.

Vick had an incredible night and just threw some pinpoint passes that were practically indefensible. And we know what he can do with his legs. That's what it boils down to for me.

SirClintonPortis · 11-17-2010, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Haslett has been a DC in this league a long time. I don't see what the Eagles did to indicate their performance was more about "figuring out" the scheme than it was from some super individual efforts.

Vick had an incredible night and just threw some pinpoint passes that were practically indefensible. And we know what he can do with his legs. That's what it boils down to for me.

Yes, and what did he do in that long time? How about running the Pittsburgh defense, which was a top unit under Lebeau then, into land of the mediocre.

freddyg12 · 11-17-2010, 05:39 PM

I agree that teams have figured out our D, figured out that there are usually big gaps between the cb & safeties, and that our pass rush is nothing to worry about.

I don't think it's much of an analogy to compare it to Zorn in 08, that team had half a season of success. This defense was getting gashed in the second game of the year & it's continued. I know that they held some teams scoring down, so they deserve credit for that, but the only team that was surprised by them was dallas in week 1.

MTK · 11-17-2010, 05:40 PM

Interesting to note: Lebeau's D was ranked 11th in 1996, Haslett took over and they finished 7th in 1997.

Defensewins · 11-17-2010, 06:15 PM

One major point that I completely disagree with in this thread is to say the NFL has figured out our defense would some how imply our defense under Haslett was actually good at some point and playing well. It has not. Our performance on the field as it relates to playing sound defensive football with good technique and playing well together as unit has not happened folks.
We have been last or next to last statistically all year. ALL Season our defense has done the tell tale things that bad defense do..like give up close to or over 5 yards a carry and giving up massive yards overall. Being weak against the run. Mental mistakes and breakdowns have been a problem. I am not saying we are terrible. But we do not play well consistently for any long periods of time. We are very inconsistent.
The only thing good we can point to is we have created or generated more turnovers than years prior.
Haslett is on the hot seat. Plain and simple. It is his job to lose and he is losing it.

SmootSmack · 11-17-2010, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk

Interesting to note: Lebeau's D was ranked 11th in 1996, Haslett took over and they finished 7th in 1997.

and they lost Rod Woodson, Deon Figures, and Chad Brown to free agency after 1996

skinsfan69 · 11-18-2010, 12:58 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

and they lost Rod Woodson, Deon Figures, and Chad Brown to free agency after 1996

Who cares what he did back then? So far I don't think I've seen this guy make an in game adjustment yet.

over the mountain · 11-17-2010, 06:03 PM

i havent noticed us using the same D schemes and formulas game in and game out.

if anything, ive noticed that week to week we adjust our D scheme to the opponent. sometimes the adjustments are huge.

i think Haslett just got burnt running soft zone with the corners in an attempt to keep the corners watching and in position to contain the outside if vick scrambled that way. (i read this else where and while i havent seen any actual proof to this notion it makes sense to me)

this next game against tenn, who knows what kind of D we roll out. i like it.

firstdown · 11-17-2010, 06:13 PM

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Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

In 2008, Jim Zorn and the Redskins were riding sky high as they went into Pittsburgh. The offense was performing well and we were winning close games. Then, we faced a real quality opponent who figured out the offense and stonewalled us. In short, they got film on the coach and his tendencies.

I believe that the same thing may happen to Haslett. He's going to get figured out and our performances will be like Denver's circa 2008. We're going to be coughing up 21 points at the very least from here on out.

Our D is pretty much rated last what is there to figure out?

Boy if teams figure out our O then we are really in trouble.

Hog1 · 11-17-2010, 06:50 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Our D is pretty much rated last what is there to figure out?

Boy if teams figure out our O then we are really in trouble.

They.............Haven't figured out our O???
OMG........

MTK · 11-17-2010, 08:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firstdown

Our D is pretty much rated last what is there to figure out?

Boy if teams figure out our O then we are really in trouble.

Hog1 · 11-17-2010, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by firstdown

Our D is pretty much rated last what is there to figure out?

Boy if teams figure out our O then we are really in trouble.

They.............Haven't figured out our O???
OMG........

calia · 11-17-2010, 09:02 PM

I will say this: our D is last in the league, even though we have enough talent to avoid that distinction. We have a number of guys that would start on virtually any D in the league in Haynesworth (indeed, the Redskins may be the only team that wouldn't start him), Orakpo, Landry, and Fletcher. We also have a number of guys that could start for a number of teams, even if they're not stars, such as Rogers, Carter, McIntosh, Alexander, and Hall. While that leaves a number of folks (and most of our D line) in the "not very good" category, having 8 of 11 guys of reasonable quality -- even by NFL standards -- should not translate to a last-ranked D.

Bottom line: our coaching is clearly, clearly not helping -- whether it's the scheme, coaching up fundamentals, "cardiovascular endurance" (think AH's 3 minute nap in the 4th quarter v. the Eagles) or anything else is up to reasonable debate. That this unit is woefully underperforming is not.

I will only add that the fact our offense has been underperforming (last in NFL on 3rd down conversions, no consistent rushing game (or RB), no consistency in the receiving game (Cooley's hands are only marginally better than Carlos' at this point) does not help, of course. And the D's ability to create turnovers has kept us in and outright won some games. But giving up 415 yards/game will not get it done in this league. Ever.

11-17-2010, 04:45 PM	#1
SirClintonPortis Pro Bowl Join Date: Oct 2008 Posts: 6,052	Something to consider about the defenses performance In 2008, Jim Zorn and the Redskins were riding sky high as they went into Pittsburgh. The offense was performing well and we were winning close games. Then, we faced a real quality opponent who figured out the offense and stonewalled us. In short, they got film on the coach and his tendencies. I believe that the same thing may happen to Haslett. He's going to get figured out and our performances will be like Denver's circa 2008. We're going to be coughing up 21 points at the very least from here on out. __________________ Analysis using datasets (aka stats) is an attempt at reverse-engineering a player's "goodness". Virtuosity remembered, douchebaggery forgotten. The ideal character profile shoved down modern Western men and women's throats is Don Juan.

11-17-2010, 04:48 PM	#2
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,421	Re: Something to consider about the defenses performance That is a scary, but salient point.

11-17-2010, 04:53 PM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,511	Re: Something to consider about the defenses performance Haslett has been a DC in this league a long time. I don't see what the Eagles did to indicate their performance was more about "figuring out" the scheme than it was from some super individual efforts. Vick had an incredible night and just threw some pinpoint passes that were practically indefensible. And we know what he can do with his legs. That's what it boils down to for me. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-17-2010, 05:39 PM	#5
freddyg12 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2006 Posts: 4,540	Re: Something to consider about the defenses performance I agree that teams have figured out our D, figured out that there are usually big gaps between the cb & safeties, and that our pass rush is nothing to worry about. I don't think it's much of an analogy to compare it to Zorn in 08, that team had half a season of success. This defense was getting gashed in the second game of the year & it's continued. I know that they held some teams scoring down, so they deserve credit for that, but the only team that was surprised by them was dallas in week 1.

11-17-2010, 05:40 PM	#6
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,511	Re: Something to consider about the defenses performance Interesting to note: Lebeau's D was ranked 11th in 1996, Haslett took over and they finished 7th in 1997. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

11-17-2010, 06:15 PM	#7
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: Something to consider about the defenses performance One major point that I completely disagree with in this thread is to say the NFL has figured out our defense would some how imply our defense under Haslett was actually good at some point and playing well. It has not. Our performance on the field as it relates to playing sound defensive football with good technique and playing well together as unit has not happened folks. We have been last or next to last statistically all year. ALL Season our defense has done the tell tale things that bad defense do..like give up close to or over 5 yards a carry and giving up massive yards overall. Being weak against the run. Mental mistakes and breakdowns have been a problem. I am not saying we are terrible. But we do not play well consistently for any long periods of time. We are very inconsistent. The only thing good we can point to is we have created or generated more turnovers than years prior. Haslett is on the hot seat. Plain and simple. It is his job to lose and he is losing it.

11-17-2010, 06:03 PM	#10
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Something to consider about the defenses performance i havent noticed us using the same D schemes and formulas game in and game out. if anything, ive noticed that week to week we adjust our D scheme to the opponent. sometimes the adjustments are huge. i think Haslett just got burnt running soft zone with the corners in an attempt to keep the corners watching and in position to contain the outside if vick scrambled that way. (i read this else where and while i havent seen any actual proof to this notion it makes sense to me) this next game against tenn, who knows what kind of D we roll out. i like it. __________________ Life is brutal, but beautiful

11-17-2010, 09:02 PM	#15
calia Playmaker Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Woodside, CA Age: 56 Posts: 3,539	Re: Something to consider about the defenses performance I will say this: our D is last in the league, even though we have enough talent to avoid that distinction. We have a number of guys that would start on virtually any D in the league in Haynesworth (indeed, the Redskins may be the only team that wouldn't start him), Orakpo, Landry, and Fletcher. We also have a number of guys that could start for a number of teams, even if they're not stars, such as Rogers, Carter, McIntosh, Alexander, and Hall. While that leaves a number of folks (and most of our D line) in the "not very good" category, having 8 of 11 guys of reasonable quality -- even by NFL standards -- should not translate to a last-ranked D. Bottom line: our coaching is clearly, clearly not helping -- whether it's the scheme, coaching up fundamentals, "cardiovascular endurance" (think AH's 3 minute nap in the 4th quarter v. the Eagles) or anything else is up to reasonable debate. That this unit is woefully underperforming is not. I will only add that the fact our offense has been underperforming (last in NFL on 3rd down conversions, no consistent rushing game (or RB), no consistency in the receiving game (Cooley's hands are only marginally better than Carlos' at this point) does not help, of course. And the D's ability to create turnovers has kept us in and outright won some games. But giving up 415 yards/game will not get it done in this league. Ever.

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