White House backed release of Lockerbie bomber

[GMScud]

I find this sickening. Aww, you mean a mass-murderer was going to have to die of cancer in prison? How terrible.

White House backed release of Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi | The Australian

[tryfuhl]

Well they were fine with him dying in Scottish prison, just not Libyan. For what reason I'm not sure. I'm sure Libyan prison systems are more harsh and also probably more susceptible to bribe-releases. Or maybe it's due to him not receiving decent care in a Libyan prison, which would be less palatable for me to accept. I wouldn't mind seeing the letter because it can sway either way.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Well they were fine with him dying in Scottish prison, just not Libyan. For what reason I'm not sure. I'm sure Libyan prison systems are more harsh and also probably more susceptible to bribe-releases. Or maybe it's due to him not receiving decent care in a Libyan prison, which would be less palatable for me to accept. I wouldn't mind seeing the letter because it can sway either way.

I'm guessing they want to ship gitmo detainees to libya. Regardless, the Scotts are free to do as they please and the article title is misleading.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by saden1

I'm guessing they want to ship gitmo detainees to libya. Regardless, the Scotts are free to do as they please and the article title is misleading.

After reading a few articles about this, I agree that the article title is a bit misleading. It's not like Obama and Co said, "hey, let the guy go." It still doesn't sit well with me that they weren't overly opposed to "compassionate release," and it doesn't excuse The Lord's BS about being "surprised, disappointed, and angry" about his release. He knew what was coming. Otherwise he and his ilk wouldn't be trying to keep said correspondence secret.

But hey, BP now gets to drill off of Libya. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by GMScud

After reading a few articles about this, I agree that the article title is a bit misleading. It's not like Obama and Co said, "hey, let the guy go." It still doesn't sit well with me that they weren't overly opposed to "compassionate release," and it doesn't excuse The Lord's BS about being "surprised, disappointed, and angry" about his release. He knew what was coming. Otherwise he and his ilk wouldn't be trying to keep said correspondence secret.

But hey, BP now gets to drill off of Libya. This whole thing stinks to high heaven.

The Scotts have laws...the administration can voice its concerns to the Scottish Government but their courts and review boards make the decisions. If they're going to just transfer him it's completely worthless because they will free him. Now if you release him you can a) get oil, b) repatriation the some of Libyan gitmo detainees, c) it never hurts to look merciful, and d) it's not a battle worth fighting due to his impending death and lack of control.


You're confusing the being surprised at the decision that was made vs the knowledge of the choices they have in front of them and your own preferences. So yes, you can be surprised. It's all PR though...it really doesn't mean anything.


Would I have let him go? Hell no, especially if the evidence was overwhelming and he really is guilty. I'd put him in a see through box, put a camera outside that box and broadcast his imprisonment and slow death of cancer on the internet. Do I have to give him cancer medication?

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by GMScud

I find this sickening. Aww, you mean a mass-murderer was going to have to die of cancer in prison? How terrible.

White House backed release of Lockerbie bomber Abdel Baset al-Megrahi | The Australian

Dude, not saying the guy deserves a break, but our current president and the last 3 presidents could be called mass murderers, and with a much larger body count. They can be brought up on war crimes by international law, but since they are presidents will never get nailed.

[Slingin Sammy 33]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Dude, not saying the guy deserves a break, but our current president and the last 3 presidents could be called mass murderers, and with a much larger body count. They can be brought up on war crimes by international law, but since they are presidents will never get nailed.

I call flat out bullshit. Not Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama should be called mass murders or war criminals. If I honestly felt the last four presidents were mass murders, I would resign my citizenship and find another country.

[GusFrerotte]

Originally Posted by Slingin Sammy 33

I call flat out bullshit. Not Bush 1, Clinton, Bush 2, or Obama should be called mass murders or war criminals. If I honestly felt the last four presidents were mass murders, I would resign my citizenship and find another country.

Sammy, both Gulf Wars were by the book unconstitutional, the second one was illegal under international law. Not to mention both started under false pretenses. Clinton and the Balkan tragedy was also based on hyped up BS that justified what we did. The "atrocities" committed by the Serbs were done after Bubba started the bombing, so what came first the chicken or the egg? Obama has turned the war machine up a notch in Pakistan and with the extrajudicial killings. Both are illegal nationally(constitutionally) and internationally. In 1945 we hung or shot a bunch of Germans and Japanese for the same crap. We set up these laws and now break them at our leisure. But if other nations do the same, we bomb the shit out of them. Well over a million Iraqis are dead(half by those wonderful Clinton/Albright sanctions). Who knows the body count in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Sammy, both Gulf Wars were by the book unconstitutional, the second one was illegal under international law. Not to mention both started under false pretenses. Clinton and the Balkan tragedy was also based on hyped up BS that justified what we did. The "atrocities" committed by the Serbs were done after Bubba started the bombing, so what came first the chicken or the egg? Obama has turned the war machine up a notch in Pakistan and with the extrajudicial killings. Both are illegal nationally(constitutionally) and internationally. In 1945 we hung or shot a bunch of Germans and Japanese for the same crap. We set up these laws and now break them at our leisure. But if other nations do the same, we bomb the shit out of them. Well over a million Iraqis are dead(half by those wonderful Clinton/Albright sanctions). Who knows the body count in Afghanistan and Pakistan.

They had money to build an army durn that time and he built palace after palace but he allowed his people to die because he did not care what happened to them. The sanctions had nothing to do with the death of Iraq's it was the actions a SH not caring about his people and spending their money on other stuff.

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by firstdown

They had money to build an army durn that time and he built palace after palace but he allowed his people to die because he did not care what happened to them. The sanctions had nothing to do with the death of Iraq's it was the actions a SH not caring about his people and spending their money on other stuff.

Ok so where is the part where it was any of our business? Thousands of people die everyday because of some asshole dictator. Why should we pay for their freedom with our blood and treasure? All they do is spit in our faces, just like those GD Haitians! Meanwhile, we're on the edge of insolvency.

[firstdown]

This is just a good example of how other governments view Obama "the community organizer" as a world leader. I'm guessing if we had a stronger pres in office this guy would still be behind bars. Thats just my gut feeling. Even if I'm wrong about that its just another lie Obama has made. I'm loosing count.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

This is just a good example of how other governments view Obama "the community organizer" as a world leader. I'm guessing if we had a stronger pres in office this guy would still be behind bars. Thats just my gut feeling. Even if I'm wrong about that its just another lie Obama has made. I'm loosing count.

So did Obama back the release or condemn, First and GMScud? It can't be both. I love how you and GMScud manufacture controversy with these bs Obama threads.

Do you guys watch the news -- at all? Or just scour the internet for sh*t to whine about?

Now here's some actual reporting on what Obama said about the release.

Obama, Cameron blast release of Lockerbie bomber - CNN.com

[saden1]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

So did Obama back the release or condemn, First and GMScud? It can't be both. I love how you and GMScud manufacture controversy with these bs Obama threads.

Do you guys watch the news -- at all? Or just scour the internet for sh*t to whine about?

Now here's some actual reporting on what Obama said about the release.

Obama, Cameron blast release of Lockerbie bomber - CNN.com

You can include SS33 in that list too...it is really getting worse by the day and it's troubling to see their anger take over.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

You can include SS33 in that list too...it is really getting worse by the day and it's troubling to see their anger take over.

You guys have very short memories because we had to read thread after thread of hate on Bush from you guys. Some of it was diserved but there was plenty of BS mixed in over the years. I don't hate Obama I just don't think he is a very good president.

[saden1]

Originally Posted by firstdown

You guys have very short memories because we had to read thread after thread of hate on Bush from you guys. Some of it was diserved but there was plenty of BS mixed in over the years. I don't hate Obama I just don't think he is a very good president.

You will find none by me. Feel free to go look for them. If you don't think he's a good president that's fine but at least be able to justify why you think that with sound reason and credible protests. If you guys keep crying wolf about every little stupid thing eventually no one will believe you.