What if Ramsey isn't the man?

Daseal · 11-15-2004, 08:33 PM

Ok, first of all I'd like to say that I think Ramsey is the man, but he may be too mistake prone and not mobile enough for Gibbs. The next few weeks will be critical to see if he stays here. I for one think and hope that he will be in DC for a long time. Unfortunately, I think it's important to explore other players.

I think a great QB for this team would be Quincy Carter. Hold on for one moment, put down your torches and pitchforks. When Parcells came in and gave Quincy some dicipline he reacted well and would stay at Cowboys park all night long. Sometimes later than Parcells. He worked on the playbook, studied film, etc. That is exactly what Gibbs looks for in a player. He's also ungodly gifted as an athelete and he has the ability to get out of the pocket which Gibbs seems to covet.

Anyhow, just an idea. What do you guys think?

MTK · 11-15-2004, 08:43 PM

Well, there's only one way to find out.

Let's give him these 7 starts and go from there.

SmootSmack · 11-15-2004, 08:44 PM

I don't know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure that Ramsey also studies films, works on the playbook, etc. All without the angel dust, or whatever it was Q was allegedly snorting.

I don't know either if it's accurate to say Ramsey isn't mobile enough for Gibbs. Schroeder, Rypien and Williams weren't exactly the most mobile QBs. But the key, as you say Daseal, is that Ramsey needs to cut back on his mistakes

Big C · 11-15-2004, 08:46 PM

ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey

SUNRA · 11-15-2004, 10:58 PM

[QUOTE=Big C]ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey[/QUOTE

Please do not compare Qunicy Carter to Ramsey. There is no comparison. Carter led his team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. WTF did Ramsey do when he played yesterday? At least Carter won a game for the Jets. Had the Bengals had decent corners there would have been at least 5 more INT's from Ramsey. I hate to see people put down another QB when they have no QB to brag on. I wish we had Qunicy Carter. A QB runner and passer is the most dangerous weapon on the offense and we better get with the program.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 11-16-2004, 12:06 AM

[QUOTE=SUNRA]

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Originally Posted by Big C

ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey[/QUOTE

Please do not compare Qunicy Carter to Ramsey. There is no comparison. Carter led his team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. WTF did Ramsey do when he played yesterday? At least Carter won a game for the Jets. Had the Bengals had decent corners there would have been at least 5 more INT's from Ramsey. I hate to see people put down another QB when they have no QB to brag on. I wish we had Qunicy Carter. A QB runner and passer is the most dangerous weapon on the offense and we better get with the program.

You really hate Ramsey don't you? Geez, give the guy a break, you gave Brunell about 9 weeks of breaks.

You keep harping on Ramsey's two poor performances this year. You fail to consider that #1 there were many teams interested in Ramsey this past offseason, he was awesome for us during the first quarter of last season, he's incredibly inexperienced for a QB having just 16 starts under his belt.

MTK · 11-16-2004, 12:27 AM

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Originally Posted by Ramseyfan

You really hate Ramsey don't you? Geez, give the guy a break, you gave Brunell about 9 weeks of breaks.

You keep harping on Ramsey's two poor performances this year. You fail to consider that #1 there were many teams interested in Ramsey this past offseason, he was awesome for us during the first quarter of last season, he's incredibly inexperienced for a QB having just 16 starts under his belt.

Seriously, how about we give the kid a chance?

He surpassed the 200 yard mark in a little over a half of action, Brunell struggled regularly to just hit 100 yards, and he only topped 200 yards twice this year, that's pretty sad. Can Ramsey do any worse than Brunell has? I highly doubt it.

Ramsey has a lot of potential. He's going to make some mistakes along the way, but he's also going to mix in some throws that make you say wow.

Brunell is done, for this year and for his career. Ramsey is our best shot.

CROOKEDSKINS · 11-16-2004, 12:57 AM

i agree with matt ramsey looked better than brunell and
he had little or no reps with the starters.he started getting in a groove
in the 4th he will make mistakes cause he belives he can make any throw
cause he has a monster arm

Redskins_P · 11-16-2004, 08:54 AM

[QUOTE=SUNRA]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Big C

ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey[/QUOTE

Please do not compare Qunicy Carter to Ramsey. There is no comparison. Carter led his team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. WTF did Ramsey do when he played yesterday? At least Carter won a game for the Jets. Had the Bengals had decent corners there would have been at least 5 more INT's from Ramsey. I hate to see people put down another QB when they have no QB to brag on. I wish we had Qunicy Carter. A QB runner and passer is the most dangerous weapon on the offense and we better get with the program.

When did Carter win a game for the Jets?

Daseal · 11-15-2004, 09:32 PM

Guys, can we ever think hypothetically? Everytime I pose a hypothetical question it never gets answered. Just like this, I said in my post that I think Ramsey is our guy, BUT WHAT IF HE ISN'T!

Smoot: I've heard quite a number of reports saying what Q Carter failed his drug test for was just pot.

SmootSmack · 11-15-2004, 09:51 PM

Sorry about that Daseal. To answer your question if Ramsey isn't the man, then I don't think we should turn to Quincy Carter.

Winskins · 11-15-2004, 10:11 PM

I think the reason Gibbs seemed to be concerned about Ramsey's mobility is because he knows that the offensive line hasn't been able to provide steady pass protection. I think Ramsey has a canon of an arm and great accuracy too, but I think that his talents will really start to come out when the line meshes a bit and provides some stalwort pass support.

MTK · 11-15-2004, 10:16 PM

Ok to answer the question, NO.

I don't see QC as a long-term solution. In fact I don't see him as anyone's long-term solution. He's an atheletic QB but he's not very accurate and he turns the ball over too much.

cpayne5 · 11-15-2004, 10:26 PM

Yesterday, after the game, I was thinking about a nonsense thread. It was going to make fun of some of the rediculous things people say on here after a loss. I was going to suggest things such as trading for Troy Hambrick, or trying to pursue Warren Sapp, or trying to get Quincy Carter for our QB.

So no, I really don't think we should go after QC.

Kevikazi · 11-15-2004, 10:43 PM

I don't think Ramsey's mobility is a big issue. Joe Gibbs won a super bowl with Mark Rypien, and I don't remember him making any big plays with his legs. I believe if our O-line can give Ramsey enough protection for him to feel comfortable, he will throw more TD's than INT's.

11-15-2004, 08:44 PM	#3
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	I don't know for a fact, but I'm pretty sure that Ramsey also studies films, works on the playbook, etc. All without the angel dust, or whatever it was Q was allegedly snorting. I don't know either if it's accurate to say Ramsey isn't mobile enough for Gibbs. Schroeder, Rypien and Williams weren't exactly the most mobile QBs. But the key, as you say Daseal, is that Ramsey needs to cut back on his mistakes __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-15-2004, 08:46 PM	#4
Big C Mr. Brightside Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 38 Posts: 4,453	ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey __________________ "I don't care what nobody say I'm a be me, stay hood stay real, cause I'm out here grindin'" -Joe Gibbs

11-15-2004, 10:58 PM	#5
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	[QUOTE=Big C]ive always thought carter sucked ass...he threw more picks than tds so i dont know how hes not as mistake prone as ramsey[/QUOTE Please do not compare Qunicy Carter to Ramsey. There is no comparison. Carter led his team to the playoffs with a 10-6 record. WTF did Ramsey do when he played yesterday? At least Carter won a game for the Jets. Had the Bengals had decent corners there would have been at least 5 more INT's from Ramsey. I hate to see people put down another QB when they have no QB to brag on. I wish we had Qunicy Carter. A QB runner and passer is the most dangerous weapon on the offense and we better get with the program. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

11-15-2004, 09:51 PM	#11
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Sorry about that Daseal. To answer your question if Ramsey isn't the man, then I don't think we should turn to Quincy Carter. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

11-15-2004, 10:11 PM	#12
Winskins Special Teams Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Wheaton, MD Age: 40 Posts: 282	I think the reason Gibbs seemed to be concerned about Ramsey's mobility is because he knows that the offensive line hasn't been able to provide steady pass protection. I think Ramsey has a canon of an arm and great accuracy too, but I think that his talents will really start to come out when the line meshes a bit and provides some stalwort pass support. __________________ The Skins will make the Cowboys their woman...and they're gonna enjoy it!

11-15-2004, 08:33 PM	#1
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	What if Ramsey isn't the man? Ok, first of all I'd like to say that I think Ramsey is the man, but he may be too mistake prone and not mobile enough for Gibbs. The next few weeks will be critical to see if he stays here. I for one think and hope that he will be in DC for a long time. Unfortunately, I think it's important to explore other players. I think a great QB for this team would be Quincy Carter. Hold on for one moment, put down your torches and pitchforks. When Parcells came in and gave Quincy some dicipline he reacted well and would stay at Cowboys park all night long. Sometimes later than Parcells. He worked on the playbook, studied film, etc. That is exactly what Gibbs looks for in a player. He's also ungodly gifted as an athelete and he has the ability to get out of the pocket which Gibbs seems to covet. Anyhow, just an idea. What do you guys think?

11-15-2004, 08:43 PM	#2
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	Well, there's only one way to find out. Let's give him these 7 starts and go from there.

11-16-2004, 12:57 AM	#8
CROOKEDSKINS Camp Scrub Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: KEY WEST FL Age: 52 Posts: 93	i agree with matt ramsey looked better than brunell and he had little or no reps with the starters.he started getting in a groove in the 4th he will make mistakes cause he belives he can make any throw cause he has a monster arm

11-15-2004, 09:32 PM	#10
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 42 Posts: 8,341	Guys, can we ever think hypothetically? Everytime I pose a hypothetical question it never gets answered. Just like this, I said in my post that I think Ramsey is our guy, BUT WHAT IF HE ISN'T! Smoot: I've heard quite a number of reports saying what Q Carter failed his drug test for was just pot.

11-15-2004, 10:16 PM	#13
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,741	Ok to answer the question, NO. I don't see QC as a long-term solution. In fact I don't see him as anyone's long-term solution. He's an atheletic QB but he's not very accurate and he turns the ball over too much.

11-15-2004, 10:26 PM	#14
cpayne5 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 3,807	Yesterday, after the game, I was thinking about a nonsense thread. It was going to make fun of some of the rediculous things people say on here after a loss. I was going to suggest things such as trading for Troy Hambrick, or trying to pursue Warren Sapp, or trying to get Quincy Carter for our QB. So no, I really don't think we should go after QC. __________________ "It's not about what you've done, but what's been done for you."

11-15-2004, 10:43 PM	#15
Kevikazi Special Teams Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Maryland Age: 55 Posts: 187	I don't think Ramsey's mobility is a big issue. Joe Gibbs won a super bowl with Mark Rypien, and I don't remember him making any big plays with his legs. I believe if our O-line can give Ramsey enough protection for him to feel comfortable, he will throw more TD's than INT's.

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