Arizona's New Immigration Law

[saden1]

I would have thought someone would have started a thread about this but I guess I will. What's the point of this law? I don't get it.

[MTK]

What's wrong with some blatant racial profiling?

[Trample the Elderly]

I don't understand why the illegal aleins are upset over this law? It's not like they paid any attention to the law to begin with, hence the term "illegal".

[saden1]

Originally Posted by Mattyk

What's wrong with some blatant racial profiling?

The law "prevents" you from doing that though...the question I have is if nearly 30 percent of Arizonians are Hispanic how will they tell legals from illegals without profiling? What does profiling mean really? And how does it help?

[Trample the Elderly]

Originally Posted by saden1

The law "prevents" you from doing that though...the question I have is if nearly 30 percent of Arizonians are Hispanic how will they tell legals from illegals without profiling? What does profiling mean really? And how does it help?

It means Saudi Arabian men are more likely to fly a plane into a building than Roman Catholic Nuns.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by saden1

The law "prevents" you from doing that though...the question I have is if nearly 30 percent of Arizonians are Hispanic how will they tell legals from illegals without profiling? What does profiling mean really? And how does it help?

actually, the law allows "hispanic profiling" along US territories along the border. im not sure how far this area extends into the US but i know ive been stopped a few times near the border for nothing other than driving thru the desert near the border. one time we got lost, ended up at a checkpoint and border patrol told us we had crossed into mexico then back again. they locked us up, i was in a small cell with a bucket to piss and shit in. the border patrol, how do we say, found some things. after an hour they decided to let us go, went back out to my car and everything in it was tossed all around my car.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by saden1

The law "prevents" you from doing that though...the question I have is if nearly 30 percent of Arizonians are Hispanic how will they tell legals from illegals without profiling? What does profiling mean really? And how does it help?

Well people seem to leave off the point that the officer must first have a reason for pulling the person over or approaching them. When they ask for a form of ID if the person does not have one then the officer is now required to follow up and either see documintation or take the person in. I don't see what the big deal is. I have been pulled without an driver lic. and in a matter of a minute or two a cop can verify who I am. Now if I'm an illegal I guess the cop will not be able to do this and thus your sent packing.

[12thMan]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Well people seem to leave off the point that the officer must first have a reason for pulling the person over or approaching them. When they ask for a form of ID if the person does not have one then the officer is now required to follow up and either see documintation or take the person in. I don't see what the big deal is. I have been pulled without an driver lic. and in a matter of a minute or two a cop can verify who I am. Now if I'm an illegal I guess the cop will not be able to do this and thus your sent packing.

How do you define "reasonably suspect"? And exactly what does an illegal immigrant look like anyways?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

How do you define "reasonably suspect"? And exactly what does an illegal immigrant look like anyways?

i did not use the term "reasonaby suspect" in my response. Whe are you getting that from the liberal media.

[Monkeydad]

Basis for it:
Arizona has a MASSIVE problem with illegal aliens crossing the border. They bring drugs, commit rapes and murders, have even invaded peoples' homes and properties. The state has asked the Feds for help and have been denied. They need to get this under control and are doing ot for themselves out of necessity because they're being ignored in their requests for assistance.


What it does:
It allows local law enforcement to ask for proof of citizenship AFTER detaining someone for another crime. When someone is pulled over for speeding, arrested on drug offenses or any other legitimate reason, it adds an ability to request their legal status and hold them while they're looking it up and checking with proper immigration authorities. Keep in mind, this step is AFTER they're already arrested or stopped for other reasons. The law does not allow profiling or requesting legal status without reasonable suspicion or another crime already having taken place. It basically enforces immigration laws that have ALREADY been signed by the past few Presidents but aren't being allowed to be enforced because of the lack of cooperation or action by Federal Immigration authorities. This law allows State and Local law enforcement to do the job that the Feds refuse to do.

The spin from opposition:
Of course, the first argument is crying "racism" because they want to enforce existing immigration laws against a voting block for the Democrat Party. The President has blatantly lied about it, claiming that "people trying to take their daughter out for ice cream will be asked to show papers for no reason but how they look". That's 100% B.S.

"Now suddenly if you don't have your papers, and you took your kid out to get ice cream, you're going to get harassed — that's something that could potentially happen," Obama said of the Arizona measure. "That's not the right way to go."
In Iowa, Obama pleads for immigration reform - White House- msnbc.com

Also, this week, the President gave a speech asking for the Hispanic vote and other minority votes. It has some serious racial divisions in his speech. Imagine the reaction is a white President gave a speech asking for the white vote as the key to his victory, excluding other racial groups.






Texas wants the law now too. States have a right to protect themselves, especially when the Federal Government is ENABLING the law breakers.

Texas Rep Wants to Import AZ Immigration Law | NBC Dallas-Fort Worth

[12thMan]

Two things, well probably more than that, are wrong with this law.

1) You can get pulled over or questioned by a police officer if they "reasonably suspect" you are an illegal immigrant. This law is blatantly oriented towards Hispanics. No other way around it.

2) It does absolutely nothing to address securing the borders. Nothing.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Two things, well probably more than that, are wrong with this law.

1) You can get pulled over or questioned by a police officer if they "reasonably suspect" you are an illegal immigrant. This law is blatantly oriented towards Hispanics. No other way around it.

2) It does absolutely nothing to address securing the borders. Nothing.

Read the law before your speak about what it does and does not do because this statement is false.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by firstdown

Read the law before your speak about what it does and does not do because this statement is false.

Well let's just say cops will pull you over for anything if they really want to. I've been pulled over because my bumper was on top of the white line at an intersection, the cop said it's technically too far into the intersection, but they only do it at night to check for drunk drivers. They can always claim that you took a turn too fast or whatever.

However, I really don't have an issue if there's a citizenship check after a crime has been committed. Does AZ hand out licenses to illegals.. or what other type of ID?

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

Well let's just say cops will pull you over for anything if they really want to. I've been pulled over because my bumper was on top of the white line at an intersection, the cop said it's technically too far into the intersection, but they only do it at night to check for drunk drivers. They can always claim that you took a turn too fast or whatever.

However, I really don't have an issue if there's a citizenship check after a crime has been committed. Does AZ hand out licenses to illegals.. or what other type of ID?

Not sure some states do and I never figured out why a state would give an illegal an ID.

[dblanch66]

Well I live here in Phoenix and the illegal immigrant issue is a big problem. They are receiving benefits, food stamps and getting health coverage. I feel torn, as do many here in AZ, about this law. On one hand, I am all for getting control of the problem but I can also see the other side. Some law enforcement will certainly abuse this.