So who *aren't* Redskins on this team?

[BrunellFan]

Joe Gibbs always talks about how he is looking for true Redskins. I think we can agree that the following players are true Redskins:

Clinton Portis
James Thrash
Fred Smoot
Antonio Pierce
Cornelious Griffin
Lemar Marshall
Shawn Springs


But who has established themself as NOT a future redskin: someone who wont be here next year or will leave soon. Here are my candidates:

Mark Brunell (Yeah, even *I* have to agree he had better NOT be here next year)
Rod Gardner

Hmmm, thats all I really can think of right now- since our defense is #1 I really cant nominate anyone there. And I think our offensive trouble lies with Brunell, and I cant see any of our lineman next year be truly responsible. Is anyone here for letting Samuels go?

Anyway- discuss

[Redskins8588]

I am not sure about Rod Gardner, but I can think of 1 guy on our D and that is Mike Barrow, I said it before and I will say it again, it is great what he did in the past but what has he done for us lately??

[Daseal]

Hate to tell you guys. But both Brunell and Barrow will be here next year. We can't trade them away, and we can't afford the cap hit we'd take from ditching them.

Rod Gardner isn't going anywhere. He's a solid receiver.

[Drift Reality]

Originally Posted by Daseal

Hate to tell you guys. But both Brunell and Barrow will be here next year. We can't trade them away, and we can't afford the cap hit we'd take from ditching them.

Rod Gardner isn't going anywhere. He's a solid receiver.

Ok - we definately can't cut Brunell, but I think we can definately take the cap hit for Barrow, can't we?

What kind of SB did he get?

[JoeRedskin]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

Ok - we definately can't cut Brunell, but I think we can definately take the cap hit for Barrow, can't we?

What kind of SB did he get?

8.6 Million over 7 years. Thanks CCanuck!

http://www.thewarpath.net/WarpathRedskinsCap.htm

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Drift Reality

Ok - we definately can't cut Brunell, but I think we can definately take the cap hit for Barrow, can't we?

What kind of SB did he get?

JoeRedskin mentioned $8.6M signing bonus but that's actually what Brunell got.

Barrow only got a $2.5M signing bonus, so if we wanted to cut him next year it would cost us about $2.1M in dead cap. Then again if we keep Barrow next year he'll also count about $2.1M against the cap, so is there any reason to cut him?

[SkinsRock]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

JoeRedskin mentioned $8.6M signing bonus but that's actually what Brunell got.

Barrow only got a $2.5M signing bonus, so if we wanted to cut him next year it would cost us about $2.1M in dead cap. Then again if we keep Barrow next year he'll also count about $2.1M against the cap, so is there any reason to cut him?

How about to pick up a player that can actually play on Sunday??? I know Barrow doesn't have a history of injuries, but it seems that as well a Pierce is playing, they should just put Barrow on IR and re-evaluate in the offseason.

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by SkinsRock

How about to pick up a player that can actually play on Sunday??? I know Barrow doesn't have a history of injuries, but it seems that as well a Pierce is playing, they should just put Barrow on IR and re-evaluate in the offseason.

I agree if the guy can't play then he should be on IR. All I'm saying is that cutting/trading him this year or next will not free up any cap space, only a roster spot.

[NY_Skinsfan]

I think Gardner's work ethic especially during practice makes him a Redskin in Gibbs eyes. Even though he's know as 50/50 he still works hard and that's what Gibbs wants.

On the No list:
Darnerian Mcants

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by BrunellFan

Here are my candidates:

Mark Brunell (Yeah, even *I* have to agree he had better NOT be here next year)
Rod Gardner

Is anyone here for letting Samuels go?

- Well whether it's starting or riding the bench, I'm quite sure Brunell is here in 2005 due to his contract. Probably 2006 as well.

- As for Gardner, I disagree that he is not a "Redskin". He's been here for a while and seems to finally have come into his own under Gibbs (ie he started catching the ball). IMO he's been as good or better than Coles this year. I'd love to keep him. But like I've posted before his contract is up after 2005. Since we're deep at WR I expect the Skins to trade him this offseason.

- Unless he restructures, Samuels is gone for sure in 2006. He can even void 2006 from his contract if he wants. He'll cost $10M against the cap in 2005, while his "deadcap" would be $6M if we cut/traded him. So it's basically a $4M cap savings if we let him go next year. But maybe he'll restructure.

[Daseal]

CrazyCanuck! We've missed ya buddy! You rule!

[CrazyCanuck]

Originally Posted by Daseal

CrazyCanuck! We've missed ya buddy! You rule!

Thanks but I never really left. I've been a little quiet lately, but I'm always hanging around.

How's this for a post:
"I think Brunell sucks and Ramsey should be starting."

After reading that 20,000 times a day I'm usually too tired to type.

Not that I disagree with it...

[MTK]

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Thanks but I never really left. I've been a little quiet lately, but I'm always hanging around.

How's this for a post:
"I think Brunell sucks and Ramsey should be starting."

After reading that 20,000 times a day I'm usually too tired to type.

Not that I disagree with it...

Yeah that's starting to wear on me too

I'm trying to stay away from those conversations, I think we all know how we feel and it's already been said a few million times. LOL

[SmootSmack]

What about Rock Cartwright?

[ZackMills]

I don't think Hall is a true Redskins...he always looks very smug on the sideline.