McNabb a Redskin! (Part II)

[SmootSmack]

New thread, same topic. We were close to 1,000 replies in the last thread. Big topic, thought we'd start a new one so posts don't get lost:

Quick Thoughts-

-We didn't outbid Buffalo or Oakland. We had the upper hand because McNabb wasn't willing to go there and Reid showed respect for him by keeping his feelings in mind

-Talked to plenty of impartial people today who think this is a good move for the Redskins. By the same token, they agree that what other moves they make between now and the draft (including the draft) will be the better indicator

-Think people are really undervaluing Devin Thomas

-Mentioned this yesterday, but just a reminder that the press conference will be Tuesday at Noon

[Audi]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Quoted for truth, however, this is my point. No winning organization looked at their QB situation and decided trading a 2nd round pick+ for McNabb and thought "this is an opportunity we need to chase". It was met, among winning orgainzations, with a sense of "meh, we've got a guy."

So how is that a knock against Donovan McNabb? What winning organization with a quarterback in place was interested in Drew Brees, Brett Favre, Kurt Warner?

[Monkeydad]

Agreed about DT. He showed a lot and I think he'll be our #1 for a long time if we keep him.

Malcolm Kelly's development should be our focus of WR debate right now.

[GTripp0012]

Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, whatever's going on in Minnesota these days.

Mild interest in McNabb at best from those organizations.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, whatever's going on in Minnesota these days.

Mild interest in McNabb at best from those organizations.

Didn't you say "winning organizations"?

And why would the Dolphins or Ravens be interested in Donovan McNabb.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Audi

Didn't you say "winning organizations"?

And why would the Dolphins or Ravens be interested in Donovan McNabb.

Well, if he's a great quarterback, I'd imagine that they'd be doing it to get a great quarterback at a second round price tag.

Or late first, in the case of the Ravens.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Well, if he's a great quarterback, I'd imagine that they'd be doing it to get a great quarterback at a second round price tag.

Or late first, in the case of the Ravens.

Ravens and Dolphins have already pinned their current quarterbacks as Henne and Flacco. Your suggestion that the Ravens and Dolphins should be interested in McNabb makes no sense, as is your argument that it's indicative of McNabb's value as a quarterback, as shown by your lack of response to the mention of Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, and Brett Favre.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Audi

Ravens and Dolphins have already pinned their current quarterbacks as Henne and Flacco. Your suggestion that the Ravens and Dolphins should be interested in McNabb makes no sense, as is your argument that it's indicative of McNabb's value as a quarterback, as shown by your lack of response to the mention of Kurt Warner, Drew Brees, and Brett Favre.

If the last two years have taught me anything, it's that a current QB is only a current QB until the second a better option becomes available. Miami and Baltimore have decided that they are better off with Henne and Flacco respectively, than either would be with McNabb. I neither agree or disagree with their conclusion, but this is how the sound organizations reacted to McNabb being available: "second round pick? ttyl"

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Kyle Orton, Chad Henne, Joe Flacco, Alex Smith, Matt Leinart, whatever's going on in Minnesota these days.

Mild interest in McNabb at best from those organizations.

Load of economic counterincetives, not lack of ability is why they didn't sell the farm for him.
Oh right, Bretto Favrah the system QB who made that O explode is simply not going to come back. A 99% success rate with quick slants is better than the 60% of JC17
Alex Smith, spread system QB extrodinaire and huge investment given a second chance.
Henne, don't know.
Orton, scheme-fit for McDaniels' ball-control Patriot-lite offense.
Arizona? Screw Arizona. Signing D. Anderson is more than enough to show that they can't really tell a good QB from a bad one.

Then there's McNabb's PERSONAL incentive. He WANTED to be here and wasn't going to have it any other way.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Load of economic counterincetives, not lack of ability is why they didn't sell the farm for him.
Oh right, Bretto Favrah the system QB who made that O explode is simply not going to come back. Still 99% success rate with quick slants is better than the 60% of JC17
Alex Smith, spread system QB extrodinaire and huge investment given a second chance.
Henne, don't know.
Orton, scheme-fit for McDaniels' ball-control Patriot-lite offense.
Arizona? Screw Arizona. Signing D. Anderson is more than enough to show that they can't really tell a good QB from a bad one.

Then there's McNabb's PERSONAL incentive. He WANTED to be here and wasn't going to have it any other way.

Or 57% from McNabb, you know. Love me some Favre watch.

The market did not really react to McNabb being available, at least using the Cutler trade as a comparable. It's probably fallacious to suggest that Cutler will have a better career than McNabb, we simply don't know at this point, but at his age, he only had 3 or 4 suitors. And we unquestionably had the best QB of us Oakland and Buffalo, no matter how much lobster Gradkowski bought for you on your date last night.

[Audi]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Or 57% from McNabb, you know. Love me some Favre watch.

The market did not really react to McNabb being available, at least using the Cutler trade as a comparable. It's probably fallacious to suggest that Cutler will have a better career than McNabb, we simply don't know at this point, but at his age, he only had 3 or 4 suitors. And we unquestionably had the best QB of us Oakland and Buffalo, no matter how much lobster Gradkowski bought for you on your date last night.

And how many teams were interested in Jay Cutler? Or are you just making things up now.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by Audi

And how many teams were interested in Jay Cutler? Or are you just making things up now.

5 that I know of.

[SirClintonPortis]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Or 57% from McNabb, you know. Love me some Favre watch.

The market did not really react to McNabb being available, at least using the Cutler trade as a comparable. It's probably fallacious to suggest that Cutler will have a better career than McNabb, we simply don't know at this point, but at his age, he only had 3 or 4 suitors. And we unquestionably had the best QB of us Oakland and Buffalo, no matter how much lobster Gradkowski bought for you on your date last night.

In a playcalling syntax which overemphasized the pass and emphasized the big play.
But Shanahan's system requires big plays to complement a good-to-elite running game and shorter passing game so that the O becomes incredibly difficult to scheme against O. Henne, Orton, etc are not big play QBs. Smith is spread or bust. JC is inconsistent at best. McNabb is a consistent big-play QB. Philly lived and died by the big play, but why did they emphasize it in the first place when the WCO was historically more ball control oriented? Because their QB is better suited for that.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

In a playcalling syntax which overemphasized the pass and emphasized the big play.
But Shanahan's system requires big plays to complement a good-to-elite running game and shorter passing game so that the O becomes incredibly difficult to scheme against O. Henne, Orton, etc are not big play QBs. Smith is spread or bust. JC is inconsistent at best. McNabb is a consistent big-play QB. Philly lived and died by the big play, but why did they emphasize it in the first place when the WCO was historically more ball control oriented? Because their QB is better suited for that.

I don't know why you think that getting a QB who is incapable of producing when he throws 45+ times a game is so self-evidently awesome, and I think if you want to show that McNabb can benefit by inheriting a running game that, if nothing else, will take a lot of his passing attempts, you should try to go and build that case.

So far, I'm gathering that you think it's easier for any QB to be successful in the Shanahan system than in other systems. Anyone except Jason Campbell, of course, because that would completely ruin your already "interesting" argument.

I kind of agree with you that McNabb is a little bit out of place in the stat-inflating system that is the WCO. I'm sure glad that he's in a system now that has limited WCO elements. Oh, wait.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SirClintonPortis

Load of economic counterincetives, not lack of ability is why they didn't sell the farm for him.
Oh right, Bretto Favrah the system QB who made that O explode is simply not going to come back. A 99% success rate with quick slants is better than the 60% of JC17
Alex Smith, spread system QB extrodinaire and huge investment given a second chance.
Henne, don't know.
Orton, scheme-fit for McDaniels' ball-control Patriot-lite offense.
Arizona? Screw Arizona. Signing D. Anderson is more than enough to show that they can't really tell a good QB from a bad one.

Then there's McNabb's PERSONAL incentive. He WANTED to be here and wasn't going to have it any other way.

In all fairness, given the choices of Buffalo, Oakland, or even the Rams, I'd want to come here too. McNabb wanted to come here to pay back Philly, unfortunately we play 14 other games besides the Philly games.