Dallas and Washington are very much alike...

[Valleyranchgirl]

Both teams have more talent on one side of the ball while the other side is going through a trail and error process.

Dallas offense has lots of talent and the Redskins Defense has a lot of talent but they often take themselves out of position to be the elite group in the NFL. For Dallas, Romo is the problem more often than not. Romo has had his chances same broken record no new tunes.
Redskins defense I would say pass rushers and LaRon Landry is not the same guy he was 2 years ago. He takes bad angles and trys to superman the ball-carrier. Haynesworth is a great pickup. How these two sides take that next step?

Dallas defense can't get a sack, turnover, or stop players from getting wideopen in the middle of the field.
The Redskins can't find the endzone because the offense has no identity.
QB Campbell needs to stop telling people they need to play harder when he is fing up. No pocket awareness. In his defense the marry go round of coaches hurts him.

[53Fan]

Oh give me a break.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

I really want to agree with you but if I'm being objective, the only true talent on Dallas's offense lies with Witten and MAYBE Barber.

[skinsfaninok]

Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

I really want to agree with you but if I'm being objective, the only true talent on Dallas's offense lies with Witten and MAYBE Barber.

Your insane! Felix jones is a beast and Bennett is really good also, not to mention their wrs actually score tds... Dallas is better than us as an overall team, yea our d is better but they make up when scoring 30 pts a game. Our offense is sad!

[Valleyranchgirl]

Originally Posted by 44Deezel

At this point in their careers, Barber is better than Portis. Portis had HUGE holes to run through during the first half of last year and couldn't muster a run longer than 31 yards. Now if you want to blame downfield blocking, go ahead. But the holes were there at the line of scrimmage, so don't blame the O line. Everyone likes to point to Portis' EOY yardage totals, but he benefits from being a "feature back", which is something you you rarely see these days. There are lots of talented RBs that would have similar or better numbers if their coaches were stupid enough to give them the ball 342 times. So far this year, Barber's averaging 6.3 yards per carry. He's faster, a better receiver, more elusive, harder to bring down and can score from anywhere on the field. That said, I like Portis a lot, just not for the price tag. I also respect everything he does for the ball club, particularly his blocking and durability, and think he's the least of our problems and probably the best thing we have going for us Offensively. I don't think Barber is head and shoulders better that Portis, but I do think he's better.

And I'll take Romo over Campbell any day. Romo may choke once he gets to the playoffs, but at least he gets there, which is more than anyone can say for Campbell. Yes, Romo throws Ints, but he also throws a lot of TDs. I would much rather have his TD to INT ratio over the last 2 season than Campbell's (and I won't even bother with yardage and I could give a damn about QB ratings):

Romo:
2008 - 26 TDs and 14 INTs
2007 - 36TDs and 19 INTs

Campbell:
2008 - 13 TDs and 6 INTs
2007 - 12 TDs and 11 INTs

As for Campbell being hamstrung by Zorn, when he does get a chance to throw deep, it's been woefully inaccurate and just plain ugly. The deep pass to Moss against the Giants wasn't even close, the first pass of the game against the Rams should have been an EASY TD, but Campbell underthrew it. On the same route but to DT, he threw the ball 5 yards out of bounds and on an attempted bomb to the end zone, he almost threw it in the first row of the stands. He's not shown that he can even get the ball close on deep passes this season, so maybe that's why Zorn isn't "taking the reigns off". I've also said a few times that I get the sense that Campbell is petrified to throw into single coverage unless his receiver has 2-3 steps on the defender, while we see WRs making plays all over the league with defenders draped all over them. 4 things can happen - INT, Completion, Incompletion, Pass Interference. 3 of the 4 ain't that bad, so why not throw the damn ball. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks from where I'm sitting.

Lastly, I think Zorn is deranged if he's totally pleased with what he saw between the 20s against the Rams. They can not continue to plod down the field taking 15 plays to get to the Red Zone. They had only 7 friggin possessions against the Rams. They need to find a way to get down the field every now and again in 5 or so plays and, of course, they need to get the ball into the end zone.

Good news is that both are not impossible to correct, and the next 4 games couldn't be a better opportunity for the Skins to fix what ails them. For the record, I hate Dallas and will never root for anyone but the Skins, especially the Ravens from that one-horse town of Baltimore.

EOM

Nice break down and observation on Campbell and Romo.

When you compare Romo to Campbell you would think Romo was a guy that was more than a stat whore. Personally I see Romo as someone who has had talent surrounding him since day 1. The Oline, RB, WR's(terry glenn, TO) and TE have been amongst the top 5 or have been very productive at their position at some point since he has been the QB. Campbell has not had that luxury. Moss is good but Randell El was never much IMO. Clinton is a good RB but he can't do it alone. Maybe I don't watch skin games but how many big plays does Portis make in the 4th quarter? Barber bails Romo out, many times. He is a luxury for Dallas and should be named one of the leaders. Felix is just going to get better with every touch. Do you forsee Campbell getting traded right after Zorn is gone(because he is as good as gone)? Some players can practice all week and not get it right in the game time. Maybe Campbell has that problem. I think Romo has that problem because he knows to stop making those bonehead plays, but he is like the scarecrow when its crunch time in big games.

When do people stop harping about arm strength if the QB is not accurate? Cutler is accurate, strong arm. Russell, Vick, and Campbell not so much.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by Valleyranchgirl

Nice break down and observation on Campbell and Romo.

When you compare Romo to Campbell you would think Romo was a guy that was more than a stat whore. Personally I see Romo as someone who has had talent surrounding him since day 1. The Oline, RB, WR's(terry glenn, TO) and TE have been amongst the top 5 or have been very productive at their position at some point since he has been the QB. Campbell has not had that luxury. Moss is good but Randell El was never much IMO. Clinton is a good RB but he can't do it alone. Maybe I don't watch skin games but how many big plays does Portis make in the 4th quarter? Barber bails Romo out, many times. He is a luxury for Dallas and should be named one of the leaders. Felix is just going to get better with every touch. Do you forsee Campbell getting traded right after Zorn is gone(because he is as good as gone)? Some players can practice all week and not get it right in the game time. Maybe Campbell has that problem. I think Romo has that problem because he knows to stop making those bonehead plays, but he is like the scarecrow when its crunch time in big games.

When do people stop harping about arm strength if the QB is not accurate? Cutler is accurate, strong arm. Russell, Vick, and Campbell not so much.

I must admit guys and girls, Dallas is better than Washington, they have more talent as a whole and way better coaches, sorry but Zorny is going to be looking for a job come Dec. (And I picked Wash. to win the east). And Romo is a good QB, when he throws 3-4 td's and wins (which he does alot) you love him, so now he sucks! You'r like most of these Sad ass saints fans down here, hop on the wagon when their playing good.

[Valleyranchgirl]

Originally Posted by Wildcat

I must admit guys and girls, Dallas is better than Washington, they have more talent as a whole and way better coaches, sorry but Zorny is going to be looking for a job come Dec. (And I picked Wash. to win the east). And Romo is a good QB, when he throws 3-4 td's and wins (which he does alot) you love him, so now he sucks! You'r like most of these Sad ass saints fans down here, hop on the wagon when their playing good.

The point of this thread was not Dallas is better than Washington or vice versa. That leads to stupid disagreements and name calling amongst Cowboys and Skin fans which I did not come on here for. Who knew it would take a Saints fan to have the thread go in the wrong direction.

Bandwagon please don't go there with me.You pulled out your Saints gear after two wins this year and decided to see what was happening on the Redskins board, because you probably cheered for the Skins until they didn't score 93 points in the first two games like the Saints have. It would be foolish of me to think that way about you because I don't know you. Don't go making ASSumptions about someone's fan-ship, you just sound bitter in the end.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Valleyranchgirl

Nice break down and observation on Campbell and Romo.

When you compare Romo to Campbell you would think Romo was a guy that was more than a stat whore. Personally I see Romo as someone who has had talent surrounding him since day 1. The Oline, RB, WR's(terry glenn, TO) and TE have been amongst the top 5 or have been very productive at their position at some point since he has been the QB. Campbell has not had that luxury. Moss is good but Randell El was never much IMO. Clinton is a good RB but he can't do it alone. Maybe I don't watch skin games but how many big plays does Portis make in the 4th quarter? Barber bails Romo out, many times. He is a luxury for Dallas and should be named one of the leaders. Felix is just going to get better with every touch. Do you forsee Campbell getting traded right after Zorn is gone(because he is as good as gone)? Some players can practice all week and not get it right in the game time. Maybe Campbell has that problem. I think Romo has that problem because he knows to stop making those bonehead plays, but he is like the scarecrow when its crunch time in big games.

You are right on everything except why Romo makes those "bonehead" plays. He does it cause no one really stops him. The Cowboys are ok with those plays as long as he comes back and throws that TD, ala Favre. Romo takes chances, and when you do, some will come back to bite you. There is no doubt Romo needs to get smarter and less aggressive, just as there is no doubt Campbell needs to get smarter and take some more chances.

When do people stop harping about arm strength if the QB is not accurate? Cutler is accurate, strong arm. Russell, Vick, and Campbell not so much.

I have wondered this for years. Especially when people here said Patrick Ramsey was a stud when all he had was a strong arm. Arm strength should be looked at to determine a good qb, but it should not be in the top 3 when evaluating his role at the next level.
Gotta say, I am a bit taken back by the reference of Campbell to Russell and Vick...but not sure where to argue at this time, or just take that punch to the gut and realize Campbell is a piece of poo like those other two.

[Wildcat]

Originally Posted by skinsfaninok

Your insane! Felix jones is a beast and Bennett is really good also, not to mention their wrs actually score tds... Dallas is better than us as an overall team, yea our d is better but they make up when scoring 30 pts a game. Our offense is sad!

I agree 100%, Felix is a stud and their Offense is one of the best in the league.. Of course my Saints are better but that's another topic lol. When you compare the Cowboys-Redskins offenses, it's like saying 1 Million dollars is better than 1Billion lol, sorry but you guys can't score. 10 PTS vs Ny (fake fg isn't offense) and 9 Pts vs STL WOW, Dallas would score 40+ on STL. If the skins win 8 games, I will be surprised.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Valleyranchgirl

Both teams have more talent on one side of the ball while the other side is going through a trail and error process.

Dallas offense has lots of talent and the Redskins Defense has a lot of talent but they often take themselves out of position to be the elite group in the NFL. For Dallas, Romo is the problem more often than not. Romo has had his chances same broken record no new tunes.
Redskins defense I would say pass rushers and LaRon Landry is not the same guy he was 2 years ago. He takes bad angles and trys to superman the ball-carrier. Haynesworth is a great pickup. How these two sides take that next step?

Dallas defense can't get a sack, turnover, or stop players from getting wideopen in the middle of the field.
The Redskins can't find the endzone because the offense has no identity.
QB Campbell needs to stop telling people they need to play harder when he is fing up. No pocket awareness. In his defense the marry go round of coaches hurts him.

Some truth to this. But. We have talent on both sides of the ball. We just need to utilize it better. Getting in the endzone has nothing to do with Identity. It has more to do with play calling. Because we have the players. As far as Campbell fing up..He makes his mistakes. But he is not the only issue. He actually has improved over last year. Last year he could barely throw for 200 yards. This year he has for both games. Everyone has to play their part on the offense for it to work properly. You also have to catch and hold on to the ball. JC can't do it all by himself.

yeah I heard Dallas hasn't had a sack yet. We atleast have 2.

[skins89moss]

The different between Romo and Campbell is Romo has the green light to throw the ball all over the field. Romo also is much more careless with the ball than JC. Romo has been compared to Brett Farve but he doesn't win the big games like Farve. Only thing we are a like is we both have 1-1 records and we both lost to the G-Men.

[Ruhskins]

I hate to say it but Dallas has a better running game right now...I'm just not sold on CP and I think we should become a pass-offense (I could be dead wrong about this). In regards to Romo and Campbell...well I think both QBs have lost games for their teams. Romo gave away that game with those 3 picks, and Campbell lost that game with that fumble against the G-men.

[dmvskinzfan08]

Originally Posted by Ruhskins

I hate to say it but Dallas has a better running game right now...I'm just not sold on CP and I think we should become a pass-offense (I could be dead wrong about this). In regards to Romo and Campbell...well I think both QBs have lost games for their teams. Romo gave away that game with those 3 picks, and Campbell lost that game with that fumble against the G-men.

In order for a running back to gain yards he must have a hole to run through. Our O-line is doing okay in passing situations but in running situations not so much. Dallas are deep at RB and this has been a big topic in the off season about our RB dpeth and talent. But that is neither here nor their. But Portis is still a better RB than Barber. Our like is not creating holes. For him or anyone else. Barber would have the same results if he was here. When CP did get a good hole the first game. he took it 30+ yards. But we need more of that type of run blocking. Your not sold on CP. He is not a rookie he has been producing since he got in the league.

Your right we have a short leash on Campbell. he is not allowed to throw caution to the wind. He has been trained that way by Gibbs to manage a game not win it. Zorn is easing him in slowly. But if he was to make mistakes liek Romo or Cutler. He wouldn't last in "our" organization. This kid has little room for error. Also the most unconventional grooming of a QB I ever seen. The season is young. Portis and JC will produce. Atleast we are progressing every week. If we dont do that then its time to worry.

[44Deezel]

Originally Posted by dmvskinzfan08

In order for a running back to gain yards he must have a hole to run through. Our O-line is doing okay in passing situations but in running situations not so much. Dallas are deep at RB and this has been a big topic in the off season about our RB dpeth and talent. But that is neither here nor their. But Portis is still a better RB than Barber. Our like is not creating holes. For him or anyone else. Barber would have the same results if he was here. When CP did get a good hole the first game. he took it 30+ yards. But we need more of that type of run blocking. Your not sold on CP. He is not a rookie he has been producing since he got in the league.

Your right we have a short leash on Campbell. he is not allowed to throw caution to the wind. He has been trained that way by Gibbs to manage a game not win it. Zorn is easing him in slowly. But if he was to make mistakes liek Romo or Cutler. He wouldn't last in "our" organization. This kid has little room for error. Also the most unconventional grooming of a QB I ever seen. The season is young. Portis and JC will produce. Atleast we are progressing every week. If we dont do that then its time to worry.

At this point in their careers, Barber is better than Portis. Portis had HUGE holes to run through during the first half of last year and couldn't muster a run longer than 31 yards. Now if you want to blame downfield blocking, go ahead. But the holes were there at the line of scrimmage, so don't blame the O line. Everyone likes to point to Portis' EOY yardage totals, but he benefits from being a "feature back", which is something you you rarely see these days. There are lots of talented RBs that would have similar or better numbers if their coaches were stupid enough to give them the ball 342 times. So far this year, Barber's averaging 6.3 yards per carry. He's faster, a better receiver, more elusive, harder to bring down and can score from anywhere on the field. That said, I like Portis a lot, just not for the price tag. I also respect everything he does for the ball club, particularly his blocking and durability, and think he's the least of our problems and probably the best thing we have going for us Offensively. I don't think Barber is head and shoulders better that Portis, but I do think he's better.

And I'll take Romo over Campbell any day. Romo may choke once he gets to the playoffs, but at least he gets there, which is more than anyone can say for Campbell. Yes, Romo throws Ints, but he also throws a lot of TDs. I would much rather have his TD to INT ratio over the last 2 season than Campbell's (and I won't even bother with yardage and I could give a damn about QB ratings):

Romo:
2008 - 26 TDs and 14 INTs
2007 - 36TDs and 19 INTs

Campbell:
2008 - 13 TDs and 6 INTs
2007 - 12 TDs and 11 INTs

As for Campbell being hamstrung by Zorn, when he does get a chance to throw deep, it's been woefully inaccurate and just plain ugly. The deep pass to Moss against the Giants wasn't even close, the first pass of the game against the Rams should have been an EASY TD, but Campbell underthrew it. On the same route but to DT, he threw the ball 5 yards out of bounds and on an attempted bomb to the end zone, he almost threw it in the first row of the stands. He's not shown that he can even get the ball close on deep passes this season, so maybe that's why Zorn isn't "taking the reigns off". I've also said a few times that I get the sense that Campbell is petrified to throw into single coverage unless his receiver has 2-3 steps on the defender, while we see WRs making plays all over the league with defenders draped all over them. 4 things can happen - INT, Completion, Incompletion, Pass Interference. 3 of the 4 ain't that bad, so why not throw the damn ball. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks from where I'm sitting.

Lastly, I think Zorn is deranged if he's totally pleased with what he saw between the 20s against the Rams. They can not continue to plod down the field taking 15 plays to get to the Red Zone. They had only 7 friggin possessions against the Rams. They need to find a way to get down the field every now and again in 5 or so plays and, of course, they need to get the ball into the end zone.

Good news is that both are not impossible to correct, and the next 4 games couldn't be a better opportunity for the Skins to fix what ails them. For the record, I hate Dallas and will never root for anyone but the Skins, especially the Ravens from that one-horse town of Baltimore.

EOM

[nyredskinsfan]

Yeah we are alike, we hate you and you hate us.