It's OK To Yell At Gibbs

SmootSmack · 10-05-2004, 04:14 PM

Redskins_P · 10-05-2004, 04:26 PM

Smoot, I was just about to post the same thing. Great article.

RedskinRat · 10-05-2004, 04:59 PM

In all of this I haven't screamed at Gibbs once. It's been execution on the field that's killed us, not Gibbs calls. We shouldn't be relying on a last minute field goal to draw a game.

SkinsRock · 10-05-2004, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by RedskinRat

In all of this I haven't screamed at Gibbs once. It's been execution on the field that's killed us, not Gibbs calls. We shouldn't be relying on a last minute field goal to draw a game.

Ummm, time management...Bad challenges....I have to admit that did it....and probably will again.
That said, we all need to remember that Gibbs has been out of football for 12 years....not commentating, not sitting at home watching, but in an entirely different sport that happens to "play" on Sundays as well. It is perfectly understandable that it will take some time for him to get used to game management again. As much as they practice, and even with pre-season games, it's not the same as a real game situation. It is taking time, but we all know that it WILL be resolved.
But really It agree. As a fan, there is nothing wrong with yelling at Gibbs during a game. He is human. I love Coles and Portis too, but that doesn't mean I wasn't screaming at them when they put the ball on the ground. It is the right of a fan to express his emotion towards his team (or the TV), good and bad.

celts32 · 10-05-2004, 05:39 PM

I don't think I can yell at Gibbs ever and certainly not after 4 games. I yell a lot during a game but I just can't bring myself to yell at Joe Gibbs. But if yelling at Gibbs is making anyone else feel better then by all means...

However, my new name for Clinton Portis during games is "Oh what the fu*k!"

illdefined · 10-05-2004, 06:00 PM

Portis is the best back the Skins have had in a looooooooong time. he's trying to do more than his job and its apparent.

celts32 · 10-05-2004, 06:04 PM

He may have the most talent, but a RB that can't hold onto the ball is about as usefull as a second ass. I still think he will rebound and become a great Redskin, but as long as he is averaging a fumble a game he is simply useless...

illdefined · 10-05-2004, 06:11 PM

we're not used to seeing Coles drop/fumble balls either. whats going on? i dont get it, Gibbs is BACK!

guys, its the curse of FEDEX. should have never moved, or at least never changed the name.

SmootSmack · 10-05-2004, 06:19 PM

It's the whole city:

We get a baseball team-but it's the last place Expos, still owned by MLB.

Capitals-gets the first pick in the draft, and then the league shuts down.

Washington Freedom-win the championship, and then the league folds.

NBA-bring in Michael Jordan, might as well have been Vernon Jordan

Mystics-Best player gone for the year with "mysterious injury"

DC United-The most stable team-and they're led by a 14 year old?

I'll continue to root, root, root for my home teams, especially the Redskins and Joe Gibbs. But it's tough being a sports fan here in DC

CrazyCanuck · 10-05-2004, 07:32 PM

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Originally Posted by smootsmack

We get a baseball team-but it's the last place Expos, still owned by MLB.

Smoot I love your posts but on this one all I can say is CRY ME A RIVER!!!!!

SmootSmack · 10-05-2004, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CrazyCanuck

Smoot I love your posts but on this one all I can say is CRY ME A RIVER!!!!!

I know. Truthfully, I couldn't think of anything bad to say about getting the Expos but I had an overall theme to maintain in my post.

BIGREDSKINFAN63 · 10-05-2004, 07:48 PM

joe gibbs does not owe any of us one thing,if anything we owe him something for giving us faith in the skins again.all you younger guys pissing and moaning were just an itch in your daddy's pants during gibbs first year.there are a lot of us here who remember it and see a lot of similarities.all you guys will be wondering a year from now how you could have been so wrong.can't we send portis to dr phil or a hypnotist?

Ade Jimoh Fan Club · 10-05-2004, 07:07 PM

Ummmmm..... Don't yell at Gibbs. He's nice. It's not ok.

Redskins8588 · 10-05-2004, 09:07 PM

jdlea this is something that you sould read. You should not care about your age when Gibbs was on the sidelines the first time, but why would you say that Gibbs doesn't have it YET!! Trust me he reconizes what the problems are and he will deal with them accordingly. Besides who would you rather be on the sidelines other than Gibbs and Williams?

http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...adel&type=lgns

The Enemy

Paul Woody said it best in this morning's Richmond Times-Dispatch:

Joe Gibbs has seen the enemy and it is wearing burgundy and gold and leaving the football on the ground in inopportune places and at inopportune times.
Just before Portis' fumble the Skins had a 10-3 lead and seemed primed to drive to take control of the game. Instead, it's Cleveland ball on the Washington 31. Bad time, bad place.
And then the Redskins' chance for a last-gasp drive with a reasonable amount of time left died when Coles fumbled that chance away. Worse time, it didn't really matter where it happened.

Throw in the roughing the passer penalties, two of the seven flags thrown against the Skins, the miscommunications between Gibbs and Brunell and Gibbs and Larry Hill, his replay guru in the booth, and you have, well, the Fun and Gun.

Last year, the Redskins survived such performance issues during the first quarter of the season and started 3-1. Ultimately, they collapsed under the weight of all of the mistakes and won just twice the rest of the way.

Call it a losing attitude, call it what you will, but the culture of sloppy football continues even with the exchange of Gibbs for Spurrier. The key word there is culture.

It takes a lot to change a corporate culture, even in a relative small company such as the Washington Redskins . Simply banning cell phones in meetings doesn't get it done, nor does having seven zebras at each practice to flag infractions. Such things are a start, mind you, but changing a culture requires more.

For one thing, it requires a strong leader backed by a strong management team. The Redskins have that in Gibbs in concert with Bugel, Williams, and the rest. It requires persistence on the part of that leadership team. I think it would be foolish to question Gibbs' persistence or that of the assistant coaches.

There are factors beyond the control of the coaches. The individuals involved have to want to change. Or, more precisely, they have to want to do what it takes to change. You'd expect that highly motivated players making seven-figure incomes would certainly want to change and stop coughing up the ball and twitching before the snap and there's no doubt that every Redskin would tell you that he desperately wants to stop playing sloppy football.

That's talking the talk, what about walking that walk? Is that player willing to do what it takes to stop the mistakes? Will he go though the dull, rigorous drills with 100% focus, will he develop the mental toughness necessary to concentrate on execution even when he's dead tired? That's a decision each player will make for himself. It's a choice. It seems that not every player has chosen to do so at this point in time.

And that's the key, the other thing that's beyond the control of the coaches is the most fundamental one-time. It's not like removing a weed from your yard where you can just dig down and get the sucker roots and all. You have to convince that weed that it's a beautiful flower. You can't do that on demand.

jdlea · 10-05-2004, 09:33 PM

First of all, I never said I didn't want Gibbs on the sidelines. Second, I totally agree with the article, but sometimes I get upset at the way the plays are being called. Sometimes I think we pass too much, especially given my feelings toward Brunell. I don't blame Gibbs for them screwing up execution, I didn't mean to attribute that to Gibbs. I find myself correcting announcers all the time when they say "you don't expect dumb penalties from this team,"...I do expect them from THIS team, just not a Joe Gibbs coached team.

Like I said, I don't think he's back in it yet, but I have a lot of confidence that he will get it.

10-05-2004, 04:14 PM	#1
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	It's OK To Yell At Gibbs ESPN Article __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-05-2004, 06:19 PM	#9
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	It's the whole city: We get a baseball team-but it's the last place Expos, still owned by MLB. Capitals-gets the first pick in the draft, and then the league shuts down. Washington Freedom-win the championship, and then the league folds. NBA-bring in Michael Jordan, might as well have been Vernon Jordan Mystics-Best player gone for the year with "mysterious injury" DC United-The most stable team-and they're led by a 14 year old? I'll continue to root, root, root for my home teams, especially the Redskins and Joe Gibbs. But it's tough being a sports fan here in DC __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

10-05-2004, 07:48 PM	#12
BIGREDSKINFAN63 Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Location: bassett-va Age: 61 Posts: 289	joe gibbs does not owe any of us one thing,if anything we owe him something for giving us faith in the skins again.all you younger guys pissing and moaning were just an itch in your daddy's pants during gibbs first year.there are a lot of us here who remember it and see a lot of similarities.all you guys will be wondering a year from now how you could have been so wrong.can't we send portis to dr phil or a hypnotist? __________________ "7 days without the redskins, makes one weak!!!"

10-05-2004, 09:07 PM	#14
Redskins8588 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ridgway, PA Age: 46 Posts: 2,519	jdlea this is something that you sould read. You should not care about your age when Gibbs was on the sidelines the first time, but why would you say that Gibbs doesn't have it YET!! Trust me he reconizes what the problems are and he will deal with them accordingly. Besides who would you rather be on the sidelines other than Gibbs and Williams? http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slu...adel&type=lgns The Enemy Paul Woody said it best in this morning's Richmond Times-Dispatch: Joe Gibbs has seen the enemy and it is wearing burgundy and gold and leaving the football on the ground in inopportune places and at inopportune times. Just before Portis' fumble the Skins had a 10-3 lead and seemed primed to drive to take control of the game. Instead, it's Cleveland ball on the Washington 31. Bad time, bad place. And then the Redskins' chance for a last-gasp drive with a reasonable amount of time left died when Coles fumbled that chance away. Worse time, it didn't really matter where it happened. Throw in the roughing the passer penalties, two of the seven flags thrown against the Skins, the miscommunications between Gibbs and Brunell and Gibbs and Larry Hill, his replay guru in the booth, and you have, well, the Fun and Gun. Last year, the Redskins survived such performance issues during the first quarter of the season and started 3-1. Ultimately, they collapsed under the weight of all of the mistakes and won just twice the rest of the way. Call it a losing attitude, call it what you will, but the culture of sloppy football continues even with the exchange of Gibbs for Spurrier. The key word there is culture. It takes a lot to change a corporate culture, even in a relative small company such as the Washington Redskins . Simply banning cell phones in meetings doesn't get it done, nor does having seven zebras at each practice to flag infractions. Such things are a start, mind you, but changing a culture requires more. For one thing, it requires a strong leader backed by a strong management team. The Redskins have that in Gibbs in concert with Bugel, Williams, and the rest. It requires persistence on the part of that leadership team. I think it would be foolish to question Gibbs' persistence or that of the assistant coaches. There are factors beyond the control of the coaches. The individuals involved have to want to change. Or, more precisely, they have to want to do what it takes to change. You'd expect that highly motivated players making seven-figure incomes would certainly want to change and stop coughing up the ball and twitching before the snap and there's no doubt that every Redskin would tell you that he desperately wants to stop playing sloppy football. That's talking the talk, what about walking that walk? Is that player willing to do what it takes to stop the mistakes? Will he go though the dull, rigorous drills with 100% focus, will he develop the mental toughness necessary to concentrate on execution even when he's dead tired? That's a decision each player will make for himself. It's a choice. It seems that not every player has chosen to do so at this point in time. And that's the key, the other thing that's beyond the control of the coaches is the most fundamental one-time. It's not like removing a weed from your yard where you can just dig down and get the sucker roots and all. You have to convince that weed that it's a beautiful flower. You can't do that on demand. __________________ "I am the best at what I do, and what I do isn't very nice" - Sean Taylor

10-05-2004, 04:26 PM	#2
Redskins_P Fight for old DC! Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Aldie, VA Age: 46 Posts: 4,101	Smoot, I was just about to post the same thing. Great article.

10-05-2004, 04:59 PM	#3
RedskinRat Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: I'm in LA, trick! Posts: 8,700	In all of this I haven't screamed at Gibbs once. It's been execution on the field that's killed us, not Gibbs calls. We shouldn't be relying on a last minute field goal to draw a game.

10-05-2004, 05:39 PM	#5
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	I don't think I can yell at Gibbs ever and certainly not after 4 games. I yell a lot during a game but I just can't bring myself to yell at Joe Gibbs. But if yelling at Gibbs is making anyone else feel better then by all means... However, my new name for Clinton Portis during games is "Oh what the fu*k!"

10-05-2004, 06:00 PM	#6
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	Portis is the best back the Skins have had in a looooooooong time. he's trying to do more than his job and its apparent.

10-05-2004, 06:04 PM	#7
celts32 Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hackettstown NJ Age: 53 Posts: 2,665	He may have the most talent, but a RB that can't hold onto the ball is about as usefull as a second ass. I still think he will rebound and become a great Redskin, but as long as he is averaging a fumble a game he is simply useless...

10-05-2004, 06:11 PM	#8
illdefined Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: nyc Age: 48 Posts: 2,631	we're not used to seeing Coles drop/fumble balls either. whats going on? i dont get it, Gibbs is BACK! guys, its the curse of FEDEX. should have never moved, or at least never changed the name.

10-05-2004, 07:07 PM	#13
Ade Jimoh Fan Club Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 410	Ummmmm..... Don't yell at Gibbs. He's nice. It's not ok.

10-05-2004, 09:33 PM	#15
jdlea Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, VA Age: 40 Posts: 3,109	First of all, I never said I didn't want Gibbs on the sidelines. Second, I totally agree with the article, but sometimes I get upset at the way the plays are being called. Sometimes I think we pass too much, especially given my feelings toward Brunell. I don't blame Gibbs for them screwing up execution, I didn't mean to attribute that to Gibbs. I find myself correcting announcers all the time when they say "you don't expect dumb penalties from this team,"...I do expect them from THIS team, just not a Joe Gibbs coached team. Like I said, I don't think he's back in it yet, but I have a lot of confidence that he will get it.

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