PATIENCE!!!! Try to be a FAN!! History Lesson

Hogskin · 10-04-2004, 10:43 AM

There is an amazing amount of frustration coming out on this site. Guys, you need to be patient!!! But more that that you need to be SUPPORTIVE!!!! I sure don't see much of that around here. I see a LOT of FAIR-WEATHER fans that don't understand the game.

Here's a little history lesson for you guys that are having a hissy-fit:

Gibbs came to Washington in 1981. He started off by losing his first 5 games. Of those 5 games, the offense was terrible - scored 17 or LESS 4 out of the first 5 games. That year, the team ended up 8-8. The last two games were wins, and the team scored 30 and 38 points in them.

In 1982, the Redskins won the Super bowl. And that was the first of 4 Super Bowl trips for Joe Gibbs' teams. Missing the playoffs was rare.

To you guys that want Spurrier back, I sure wish there was an NFL owner dumb enough to hire him as head coach next year. Then you could go root for THAT team. It was not just the W-L record. He was completely over his head in the NFL and knew it.

If the team has not turned it around with a winning record by this time NEXT year, then come back and moan/groan, and maybe you will find some reasonable people who will listen to you. But you won't now.

If you want a MORE RECENT history lesson, look at New England's start under Belichick. He started 5-11 in 2000, averaging 17 points a game. Look what he has done since. The fans that were calling for HIS head must feel REAL bright. There are MANY more examples just like this. The top coaches turn a team around by the second season - not all go the the SB that fast (as Gibbs & Belichick did), but the team will definitely be turned around if the coach is among the elite. Joe Gibbs is an elite coach.

Defensewins · 10-04-2004, 10:51 AM

Great post Hogskin!
I posted on another thread that if people are frustrated and sudenly worried, their expectations for the early part of this season are a little too high. Gibbs inherited an underachieving, mistake prone, losing team. Did they think Gibbs would just walk in, snap his fingers and we would be a super bowl team? It takes a several games to iron out the kinks.
I expected the Redskins to be under .500 in the first half of the season. As you already stated, Gibbs started 0-5 in his first season with us. His system takes a little while to master.
I know many fans are frustrated, but maybe you just need to reevaluate your early season expectations and be a little more realistic.
It may not show up in the win-loss column, but this team is playing a much more sounder brand of football. The defense is 100% better, the offense is just taking longer. The offense will come around.

MTK · 10-04-2004, 11:00 AM

Great post Hogskin.

I know people don't want to hear it, but we have to stay patient and let things play out.

I know I'm here for the long haul, not sure about alot of people here though. When things turn around I sure as hell don't want to see these same people trying to climb on to the bandwagon.

Redskins_P · 10-04-2004, 11:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Mattyk72

I know I'm here for the long haul, not sure about alot of people here though. When things turn around I sure as hell don't want to see these same people trying to climb on to the bandwagon.

Me too. I know this is going to take some time. I remember saying before that the offense won't start to click until week 5 or 6. It's week 4 and all of a sudden the Portis trade was a bad decision, Brunell sucks, and Coles is overpaid. Once we get this turned around I would like to see how many hop back on the bandwagon.

Drift Reality · 10-04-2004, 11:00 AM

I agree completely with the two prior postings. Gibbs will turn this thing around and get this team on track, but its not going to happen overnight and it may not happen this season. Still, this is the team we're going to have for the next three years or so, so just sit back and try to enjoy them through their growing pains and know that we'll be killing teams before too long.

Redskins_P · 10-04-2004, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Hogskin

There is an amazing amount of frustration coming out on this site. Guys, you need to be patient!!! But more that that you need to be SUPPORTIVE!!!! I sure don't see much of that around here. I see a LOT of FAIR-WEATHER fans that don't understand the game.

Here's a little history lesson for you guys that are having a hissy-fit:

Gibbs came to Washington in 1981. He started off by losing his first 5 games. Of those 5 games, the offense was terrible - scored 17 or LESS 4 out of the first 5 games. That year, the team ended up 8-8. The last two games were wins, and the team scored 30 and 38 points in them.

In 1982, the Redskins won the Super bowl. And that was the first of 4 Super Bowl trips for Joe Gibbs' teams. Missing the playoffs was rare.

To you guys that want Spurrier back, I sure wish there was an NFL owner dumb enough to hire him as head coach next year. Then you could go root for THAT team. It was not just the W-L record. He was completely over his head in the NFL and knew it.

If the team has not turned it around with a winning record by this time NEXT year, then come back and moan/groan, and maybe you will find some reasonable people who will listen to you. But you won't now.

If you want a MORE RECENT history lesson, look at New England's start under Belichick. He started 5-11 in 2000, averaging 17 points a game. Look what he has done since. The fans that were calling for HIS head must feel REAL bright. There are MANY more examples just like this. The top coaches turn a team around by the second season - not all go the the SB that fast (as Gibbs & Belichick did), but the team will definitely be turned around if the coach is among the elite. Joe Gibbs is an elite coach.

Great post hogskin. I agree with everything you said.

And I want to know is who the hell said that we should bring back Spurrier?

Winskins · 10-04-2004, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Redskins_P

Great post hogskin. I agree with everything you said.

And I want to know is who the hell said that we should bring back Spurrier?

haha...(could it be daseal) J/K

CRT3 · 10-04-2004, 01:35 PM

I totally disagree with this thread. We have high expecatations because of the so called hype about the players and coaches. They get paid very well last time I checked. Therefore losing is unacceptable.

SmootSmack · 10-04-2004, 02:06 PM

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Originally Posted by CRT3

I totally disagree with this thread. We have high expecatations because of the so called hype about the players and coaches. They get paid very well last time I checked. Therefore losing is unacceptable.

So is your argument that the Redskins shouldn't lose because they get paid well?

bridaman51 · 10-04-2004, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRT3

I totally disagree with this thread. We have high expecatations because of the so called hype about the players and coaches. They get paid very well last time I checked. Therefore losing is unacceptable.

I agree losing is unacceptable but if you cant be a Redskin fan after a loss then you sure as heck dont deserve to be one when they win.

Hogskin · 10-04-2004, 03:13 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRT3

I totally disagree with this thread. We have high expecatations because of the so called hype about the players and coaches. They get paid very well last time I checked. Therefore losing is unacceptable.

Sounds like Chris Berman has been wrong all this time. They DON'T need to play the games. Just add up the payroles and dole out the prizes. Richest owner wins.

Hogskin · 10-04-2004, 03:13 PM

Thanks to many of you that made complimentary posts. It is much appreciated.

wbecker999 · 10-04-2004, 11:30 AM

I don't think bringing expectations down will solve anything from the fans or the players.
Also the coaching is doing fine. It's penalties and fumbles that have lost these games ( Plus Two Pass Interferance calls).

I am just from camp scrub but I say lets keep these expectations High.

Redskins_P · 10-04-2004, 11:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by wbecker999

I don't think bringing expectations down will solve anything from the fans or the players.
Also the coaching is doing fine. It's penalties and fumbles that have lost these games ( Plus Two Pass Interferance calls).

I am just from camp scrub but I say lets keep these expectations High.

Nothing wrong with having high expectations. Just don't go and give up on the team when they don't meet those expectations. That's all Hogskin is trying to say.

Whenever the name Gibbs is mentioned. Automatically expectations soar to the roof. Right now it's up to the players to live up to those expectations. Hopefully they'll come around sometime soon.

And if no one has welcomed you yet. Welcome to the board wbecker999.

SUNRA · 10-04-2004, 11:37 AM

History is best qualified to reward your research and Hogskin you've been rewarded. This is a great point to understand. If you look throughout the NFL there are coaches who have been with the same team for several years and still are 0-4. This is to be expected for a new team, new coach and new system. The difference right now between the Skins and the Giants is the running game. Tiki has taken the team's offense on his shoulders and carried the team. Come on Portis. Step up to the plate.

10-04-2004, 10:43 AM	#1
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 84 Posts: 659	PATIENCE!!!! Try to be a FAN!! History Lesson There is an amazing amount of frustration coming out on this site. Guys, you need to be patient!!! But more that that you need to be SUPPORTIVE!!!! I sure don't see much of that around here. I see a LOT of FAIR-WEATHER fans that don't understand the game. Here's a little history lesson for you guys that are having a hissy-fit: Gibbs came to Washington in 1981. He started off by losing his first 5 games. Of those 5 games, the offense was terrible - scored 17 or LESS 4 out of the first 5 games. That year, the team ended up 8-8. The last two games were wins, and the team scored 30 and 38 points in them. In 1982, the Redskins won the Super bowl. And that was the first of 4 Super Bowl trips for Joe Gibbs' teams. Missing the playoffs was rare. To you guys that want Spurrier back, I sure wish there was an NFL owner dumb enough to hire him as head coach next year. Then you could go root for THAT team. It was not just the W-L record. He was completely over his head in the NFL and knew it. If the team has not turned it around with a winning record by this time NEXT year, then come back and moan/groan, and maybe you will find some reasonable people who will listen to you. But you won't now. If you want a MORE RECENT history lesson, look at New England's start under Belichick. He started 5-11 in 2000, averaging 17 points a game. Look what he has done since. The fans that were calling for HIS head must feel REAL bright. There are MANY more examples just like this. The top coaches turn a team around by the second season - not all go the the SB that fast (as Gibbs & Belichick did), but the team will definitely be turned around if the coach is among the elite. Joe Gibbs is an elite coach. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

10-04-2004, 11:00 AM	#5
Drift Reality Impact Rookie Join Date: May 2004 Posts: 506	I agree completely with the two prior postings. Gibbs will turn this thing around and get this team on track, but its not going to happen overnight and it may not happen this season. Still, this is the team we're going to have for the next three years or so, so just sit back and try to enjoy them through their growing pains and know that we'll be killing teams before too long. __________________ Drift Reality DC City Blog New Influencer

10-04-2004, 03:13 PM	#12
Hogskin Impact Rookie Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hartselle, Alabama Age: 84 Posts: 659	Thanks to many of you that made complimentary posts. It is much appreciated. __________________ John Shaffer National Fantasy Sports Leagues, Inc. Home of "The BEST Game In Town" since 1990

10-04-2004, 11:37 AM	#15
SUNRA The Starter Join Date: Mar 2004 Posts: 1,680	History is best qualified to reward your research and Hogskin you've been rewarded. This is a great point to understand. If you look throughout the NFL there are coaches who have been with the same team for several years and still are 0-4. This is to be expected for a new team, new coach and new system. The difference right now between the Skins and the Giants is the running game. Tiki has taken the team's offense on his shoulders and carried the team. Come on Portis. Step up to the plate. __________________ Redskins Member since 1970

10-04-2004, 10:51 AM	#2
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,763	Great post Hogskin! I posted on another thread that if people are frustrated and sudenly worried, their expectations for the early part of this season are a little too high. Gibbs inherited an underachieving, mistake prone, losing team. Did they think Gibbs would just walk in, snap his fingers and we would be a super bowl team? It takes a several games to iron out the kinks. I expected the Redskins to be under .500 in the first half of the season. As you already stated, Gibbs started 0-5 in his first season with us. His system takes a little while to master. I know many fans are frustrated, but maybe you just need to reevaluate your early season expectations and be a little more realistic. It may not show up in the win-loss column, but this team is playing a much more sounder brand of football. The defense is 100% better, the offense is just taking longer. The offense will come around.

10-04-2004, 11:00 AM	#3
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 52 Posts: 99,763	Great post Hogskin. I know people don't want to hear it, but we have to stay patient and let things play out. I know I'm here for the long haul, not sure about alot of people here though. When things turn around I sure as hell don't want to see these same people trying to climb on to the bandwagon.

10-04-2004, 01:35 PM	#8
CRT3 Impact Rookie Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Rockville Age: 62 Posts: 795	I totally disagree with this thread. We have high expecatations because of the so called hype about the players and coaches. They get paid very well last time I checked. Therefore losing is unacceptable.

10-04-2004, 11:30 AM	#13
wbecker999 Camp Scrub Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Iowa Age: 49 Posts: 93	I don't think bringing expectations down will solve anything from the fans or the players. Also the coaching is doing fine. It's penalties and fumbles that have lost these games ( Plus Two Pass Interferance calls). I am just from camp scrub but I say lets keep these expectations High.

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