Product of the denver system

aehs77 · 10-03-2004, 05:22 PM

At what pont is it safe to say clinton portis is a product of the denver system. he looked good in the first half but a good back is suppose to get better in the 4th.

Daseal · 10-03-2004, 05:24 PM

Well, I have a question for anyone famillier with Denver's "system." Maybe it's me, but we're running this guy up the middle, every fumble has been because of that. In Denver did he rarely see head on contact in a crowded area? Seems like that's when he losses it.

Sheriff Gonna Getcha · 10-03-2004, 05:24 PM

Bailey and a 2nd for Portis does look like a bad deal right about now.

offiss · 10-03-2004, 05:36 PM

well 77 you beat me to this thread, Portis is a system back, as I said when we dealt for him, he need's room to manuver, straight ahead running is going to make him the highest paid backup in the history of the NFL, in Denver he never had to deal with getting hit from both sides, with defenders standing him up in the hole and ripping at his arm's from both sides, he was usually in the open field, even if it was behind the line of scrimmage, he was put into a lot of 1 on 1 matchup's, Denver use's zone blocking, where 1 side of the line block's down while the other side pull's and pick's off the D-end and the LB's, then it's the back's job to find the hole, and explode through it, and that is what Portis is best at, If we keep running him between the tackles like we are, we will find that Bett's is a better back for that kind of runnning.

aehs77 · 10-03-2004, 05:27 PM

So the coaches should make the adjustment

DirtBagZ · 10-03-2004, 05:28 PM

Sorry but this is the second game in a row were the run was completely abandoned. How come we never run a draw play? I am probably going to get nailed for spamming on this.

But there were several occasions where I thought we should have run the draw. I think the draw would have been the perfect call on that 2nd and 10 were Coles had the fumble, granted it is a gamble, but the payoff is a long run, maybe even a 6.

d151b · 10-03-2004, 09:26 PM

i don't believe he's a"system" back, but, we can't just abandon the run like we have. CP didn't show up in the 4th because we didn't hand it to him. instead we let brunell throw it 5 rows deep in the bleachers on every play. let's not forget that the browns COMPLETELY shut down Jamaal Lewis as well!

saden1 · 10-03-2004, 10:38 PM

Did any of you guys watch the last two Denver games? Or even todays game where Champ was abused? You guys need to checkout the Denver running game stats.

Portis is good but he has been careless and lazy with the ball. All he needs is fire under his ass.

celts32 · 10-03-2004, 10:44 PM

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Originally Posted by saden1

Did any of you guys watch the last two Denver games? Or even todays game where Champ was abused? You guys need to checkout the Denver running game stats.

Portis is good but he has been careless and lazy with the ball. All he needs is fire under his ass.

Maybe we put out his fire by turning him into a lazy 23 year old with a 50 million dollar bank account...

illdefined · 10-04-2004, 10:59 AM

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Originally Posted by celts32

Maybe we put out his fire by turning him into a lazy 23 year old with a 50 million dollar bank account...

man, one thing you can't say is that he isnt trying. as great as an athlete as he is, he is only 200 lbs!!! he's throwing it all on the line as Gibbs has asked of him, up the middle, into the LBs and Dline, but even Portis can't overcome physics.

ugh, i hate to say it, but i'd sooner question the playcalling at this point then Portis's heart. whats the lightest back Gibbs has ever used significantly anyway?

offiss · 10-04-2004, 02:13 PM

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Originally Posted by illdefined

man, one thing you can't say is that he isnt trying. as great as an athlete as he is, he is only 200 lbs!!! he's throwing it all on the line as Gibbs has asked of him, up the middle, into the LBs and Dline, but even Portis can't overcome physics.

ugh, i hate to say it, but i'd sooner question the playcalling at this point then Portis's heart. whats the lightest back Gibbs has ever used significantly anyway?

Joe Washington, but he wasen't used up the middle we used him on screen's, pitch's, and passes, he wasen't a gut you send up the middle very often, ricky ervin's was also a small guy, but he was very stocky for his size, I don't believe that Portis is not giving everything he has, he is, he just keep's hitting a wall, he's not that kind of back, granted the blocking could defiently be better, no doubt, but Portis is not an inside runner, the counter trey is a good play for Portis, but we haven't been able to get it going, Denver's blocking scheme is a cut back running attack, and that's what Portis need's, he need's to follow his block's down the line and then cut when the hole emerges, Portis's strength lies with his ability to cut, and explode through a hole, we can send him straight ahead, but not on a regular basis, we spent to much money on him, if we have to change the blocking scheme to make him productive again, then it's something that HAS to be done, but I am sure that won't happen until the coaches are sure it's the scheme, and not the player's still learning the scheme.

Daseal · 10-03-2004, 10:44 PM

Saden - their famed O-line coach is gone too.

All Portis needs is a man game-planning for him. He's not used to running into a crowd. He's used to getting matched up with LBs and DBs past the line of scrimmage =p

STOP USING PORTIS AS A POWER BACK!

offiss · 10-04-2004, 05:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Daseal

Saden - their famed O-line coach is gone too.

All Portis needs is a man game-planning for him. He's not used to running into a crowd. He's used to getting matched up with LBs and DBs past the line of scrimmage =p

STOP USING PORTIS AS A POWER BACK!

Where on the same page again Daseal.

redrock-skins · 10-04-2004, 12:39 AM

Griffin hasn't done much for the Broncos since his big first game. So if Portis was a product of the " Denver system" then can anyone explain Denver's running game recently?

irish · 10-04-2004, 08:19 AM

He has been the bust of the year in the NFL so far.

10-03-2004, 05:22 PM	#1
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 39 Posts: 486	Product of the denver system At what pont is it safe to say clinton portis is a product of the denver system. he looked good in the first half but a good back is suppose to get better in the 4th.

10-03-2004, 05:24 PM	#2
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Well, I have a question for anyone famillier with Denver's "system." Maybe it's me, but we're running this guy up the middle, every fumble has been because of that. In Denver did he rarely see head on contact in a crowded area? Seems like that's when he losses it.

10-03-2004, 05:24 PM	#3
Sheriff Gonna Getcha Franchise Player Join Date: Feb 2004 Age: 45 Posts: 8,317	Bailey and a 2nd for Portis does look like a bad deal right about now.

10-03-2004, 05:36 PM	#4
offiss Registered User Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: sparta, new jersey [ northern jersey ] Age: 60 Posts: 3,097	well 77 you beat me to this thread, Portis is a system back, as I said when we dealt for him, he need's room to manuver, straight ahead running is going to make him the highest paid backup in the history of the NFL, in Denver he never had to deal with getting hit from both sides, with defenders standing him up in the hole and ripping at his arm's from both sides, he was usually in the open field, even if it was behind the line of scrimmage, he was put into a lot of 1 on 1 matchup's, Denver use's zone blocking, where 1 side of the line block's down while the other side pull's and pick's off the D-end and the LB's, then it's the back's job to find the hole, and explode through it, and that is what Portis is best at, If we keep running him between the tackles like we are, we will find that Bett's is a better back for that kind of runnning.

10-03-2004, 05:27 PM	#5
aehs77 Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: silver spring Age: 39 Posts: 486	So the coaches should make the adjustment

10-03-2004, 05:28 PM	#6
DirtBagZ Special Teams Join Date: Sep 2004 Posts: 481	Sorry but this is the second game in a row were the run was completely abandoned. How come we never run a draw play? I am probably going to get nailed for spamming on this. But there were several occasions where I thought we should have run the draw. I think the draw would have been the perfect call on that 2nd and 10 were Coles had the fumble, granted it is a gamble, but the payoff is a long run, maybe even a 6.

10-03-2004, 09:26 PM	#7
d151b Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2004 Posts: 157	i don't believe he's a"system" back, but, we can't just abandon the run like we have. CP didn't show up in the 4th because we didn't hand it to him. instead we let brunell throw it 5 rows deep in the bleachers on every play. let's not forget that the browns COMPLETELY shut down Jamaal Lewis as well!

10-03-2004, 10:38 PM	#8
saden1 MVP Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Seattle Age: 45 Posts: 10,069	Did any of you guys watch the last two Denver games? Or even todays game where Champ was abused? You guys need to checkout the Denver running game stats. Portis is good but he has been careless and lazy with the ball. All he needs is fire under his ass.

10-03-2004, 10:44 PM	#12
Daseal Puppy Kicker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Arlington, Virginia Age: 41 Posts: 8,341	Saden - their famed O-line coach is gone too. All Portis needs is a man game-planning for him. He's not used to running into a crowd. He's used to getting matched up with LBs and DBs past the line of scrimmage =p STOP USING PORTIS AS A POWER BACK!

10-04-2004, 12:39 AM	#14
redrock-skins Impact Rookie Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Seattle Posts: 783	Griffin hasn't done much for the Broncos since his big first game. So if Portis was a product of the " Denver system" then can anyone explain Denver's running game recently?

10-04-2004, 08:19 AM	#15
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	He has been the bust of the year in the NFL so far.

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