What position would you "stack" this year?

[tryfuhl]

This kind of goes along with the Predict the Redskins 2009 Opening Day Roster thread, but breaks down what a lot of people did into something easier to see.

Last year (by my count, feel free to correct me) carried:

Offense:

3 QB's -- I think that we're fine sticking with 3
4 RB's -- again, not likely to change
5 WR's -- a possibility to carry 6 here
3 TE's -- will likely stick, though not sure who the 3rd will be
9 OL's -- 4 G's 4 T's 1 C

Defense:

6 LB -- will likely stay, but there are probably 3 spots in contention here
5 CB -- I see this staying, with Tryon sticking and Barnes coming in, don't think that you need to build on that too much
5 S -- I think that we only have 6 on the roster right now, so no
4 DTs -- they're all back, plus Haynesworth, Alexander in a hybrid role
6 DE's -- hard to say with the hybrid roles

Specialty:
1 K -- stays
1 P -- stays
1 LS -- stays


Without knowing much of what we have outside of Moss and Randle El -- you have potential in Thomas, questionable potential in Kelly, a possibility that Jaison Williams could bring back solid production, or some late and/or undrafted rookies looking to fill number 5; there is a possibility that we go with 6 receivers, though I'd be more inclined to believe that we just stack the practice squad.


IF we change the numbers, I could see us going with the extra lineman. We haven't signed Kendall and we really don't really have guarantees at backup spots at G or T (and then the whole question about RT as it is). We do have some guys who might be able to contribute though in Mike Williams, Jeremy Bridges, and possibly D'angelo Batiste and Devin Clark. I suppose that training camp will help weed this down, but some of these guys who might not cut it at tackle might be good backups at guard as well, so I could see us keeping an extra there.

As far as the position that loses a guy, maybe DE since we're doing the whole hybrid thing and have 3 players that we want to move around to diff spots (Orakpo, Wilson, Alexander).

I know that some of you guys study this stuff a lot more than me, so you'll probably see flaws in my logic, so it's more about what you think than how right or wrong I am, but feel free to point out what you think of mine.

Washington Redskins Current 2009 Roster

Washington Redskins 2008 Roster

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I think we should carry 10 OL instead of 10 DL this year. Rabachs declining and we cant afford not to have a young, promising center like Edwin Williams on the active roster (unless he doesn't show any promise).
As far as who those 9 DL would be - i'd keep Wynn OR Daniels - not both. And i'm considering Orakpo a LB.

If we end up with two really good receivers vying for the #5WR slot, i'd also strongly consider going 6WR instead of 5S. Kellys health is going to be a concern until he proves us otherwise. Also, looking at the restructure we did earlier this year, ARE is not going to be on the roster next year. That means, until Kelly and Thomas prove otherwise, Santana Moss is the only WR we can count on in 2010, and he's past his prime.

IMO only reason we carried 10DBs the past couple years is because of Springs health, and he's gone so we should be fine with 9DBs.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think we should carry 10 OL instead of 10 DL this year. Rabachs declining and we cant afford not to have a young, promising center like Edwin Williams on the active roster (unless he doesn't show any promise).
As far as who those 9 DL would be - i'd keep Wynn OR Daniels - not both. And i'm considering Orakpo a LB.

Yeah, without really knowing Rabach's situation I'd think that keeping E. Williams might be good, but at the same time they might look at the actual durability issues at guard and tackle and keep one of those guys instead.

If we end up with two really good receivers vying for the #5WR slot, i'd also strongly consider going 6WR instead of 5S. Kellys health is going to be a concern until he proves us otherwise. Also, looking at the restructure we did earlier this year, ARE is not going to be on the roster next year. That means, until Kelly and Thomas prove otherwise, Santana Moss is the only WR we can count on in 2010, and he's past his prime.

I can see that as well, we don't need 5 safeties in my opinion. I think 2 or 3 years ago we even carried 6 didn't we?

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I think we should carry 10 OL instead of 10 DL this year. Rabachs declining and we cant afford not to have a young, promising center like Edwin Williams on the active roster (unless he doesn't show any promise).
As far as who those 9 DL would be - i'd keep Wynn OR Daniels - not both. And i'm considering Orakpo a LB.

If we end up with two really good receivers vying for the #5WR slot, i'd also strongly consider going 6WR instead of 5S. Kellys health is going to be a concern until he proves us otherwise. Also, looking at the restructure we did earlier this year, ARE is not going to be on the roster next year. That means, until Kelly and Thomas prove otherwise, Santana Moss is the only WR we can count on in 2010, and he's past his prime.

IMO only reason we carried 10DBs the past couple years is because of Springs health, and he's gone so we should be fine with 9DBs.

Not too sure about that. Unless 2010 is uncapped, you can count on ARE on the roster in 2010 and maybe even 2011. According to the salary cap spreadsheet, the hit to cut him in 2010 is $10.8M, and in 2011 it's over $7M.

[GMScud]

I wouldn't mind keeping 6 WRs. I think Roydell Williams will make the team. If Thomas and Kelly flame out again, we'll need a reliable vet to jump in as a solid #3. In addition to Roydell, throw in maybe a Marko Mitchell or Marques Hagans depending on how training camp goes for them.

At the same time, I would love to see Alridge or Dorsey make the team to add a scat back style runner out of the backfield and finally add a threat to the return game. I doubt Rock gets cut, so that would mean four RBs (not including Sellers), in which case we won't carry 6WRs.

I really hope Edwin Williams makes the team, but if not I'd like to see him on the practice squad for sure. Honestly I'd be thrilled if he beat out Rabach, although it probably won't happen.

I have a feeling the TE/HB/FB we drafted from Idaho - Eddie (don't call me Edwin) Williams - will make the team in place of Yoder. We can use him as a 3rd TE and a FB. Plus Sellers turns 34 next month, so as good as he is, we need to start considering his replacement at some point.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by GMScud

Not too sure about that. Unless 2010 is uncapped, you can count on ARE on the roster in 2010 and maybe even 2011. According to the salary cap spreadsheet, the hit to cut him in 2010 is $10.8M, and in 2011 it's over $7M.

I've addressed this several times in other threads, but the cap information for ARE (and Carter) on this site is only accurate IF the skins pick up options to extend their contracts through something like 2014. ARE and Carter both restructured their contracts after this season in such a way that after 2009, the skins have to decide to keep them and pay through the nose for them for the rest of their careers... or cut them for negligible cap charges (under 4M if memory serves me) and the players become unrestricted free agents (in a potentially uncapped year.) JLC had the full contract details on his old blog back in March.

Needless to say, ARE is not #2 WR material and never played up to expectations on special teams. Unless he has some sort of amazing-breakout year in 2009, there is no way in hell we excercise the option to bring him back for 2010 and beyond at #2WR money.

[The Goat]

Stack the o-line...avoid the same problem we've had two years in a row.

[diehardskin2982]

Offensive and Defensive Lines

[vallin21]

Stack both lines, and bring in 2 new WR's (J. Williams, M. Mitchell)

[Nflnick11]

More olineman and linebackers less dlineman

[skindeep]

wide outs and linemen thats our weak spot

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

This kind of goes along with the Predict the Redskins 2009 Opening Day Roster thread, but breaks down what a lot of people did into something easier to see.

Last year (by my count, feel free to correct me) carried:

Offense:

3 QB's -- I think that we're fine sticking with 3
4 RB's -- again, not likely to change
5 WR's -- a possibility to carry 6 here
3 TE's -- will likely stick, though not sure who the 3rd will be
9 OL's -- 4 G's 4 T's 1 C

Defense:

6 LB -- will likely stay, but there are probably 3 spots in contention here
5 CB -- I see this staying, with Tryon sticking and Barnes coming in, don't think that you need to build on that too much
5 S -- I think that we only have 6 on the roster right now, so no
4 DTs -- they're all back, plus Haynesworth, Alexander in a hybrid role
6 DE's -- hard to say with the hybrid roles

Specialty:
1 K -- stays
1 P -- stays
1 LS -- stays


Without knowing much of what we have outside of Moss and Randle El -- you have potential in Thomas, questionable potential in Kelly, a possibility that Jaison Williams could bring back solid production, or some late and/or undrafted rookies looking to fill number 5; there is a possibility that we go with 6 receivers, though I'd be more inclined to believe that we just stack the practice squad.


IF we change the numbers, I could see us going with the extra lineman. We haven't signed Kendall and we really don't really have guarantees at backup spots at G or T (and then the whole question about RT as it is). We do have some guys who might be able to contribute though in Mike Williams, Jeremy Bridges, and possibly D'angelo Batiste and Devin Clark. I suppose that training camp will help weed this down, but some of these guys who might not cut it at tackle might be good backups at guard as well, so I could see us keeping an extra there.

As far as the position that loses a guy, maybe DE since we're doing the whole hybrid thing and have 3 players that we want to move around to diff spots (Orakpo, Wilson, Alexander).

I know that some of you guys study this stuff a lot more than me, so you'll probably see flaws in my logic, so it's more about what you think than how right or wrong I am, but feel free to point out what you think of mine.

Washington Redskins Current 2009 Roster

Washington Redskins 2008 Roster

I think we can reduce the number of DL by 2, specifically at DE. We can go into the season with Orapko, Daniels, Carter and Jackson (assuming Wilson is a LB) and be fine. We have enough players on the DL that can play multiple positions (Alexander, Daniels, Haynesworth) that we don't have to overload that position with bodies.

It's going to be really interesting what happens at the #3 RB position. I can see Aldridge or Dorsey making the team over Rock if one of them has an outstanding preseason on special teams. Our 3rd RB won't get more than 15 carries all season so he's got to make his money on teams. We've severely lacked explosiveness on teams for years now and that's the one thing both of them bring.

You also have 5 safeties, I doubt we go past 4.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I think we can reduce the number of DL by 2, specifically at DE. We can go into the season with Orapko, Daniels, Carter and Jackson (assuming Wilson is a LB) and be fine. We have enough players on the DL that can play multiple positions (Alexander, Daniels, Haynesworth) that we don't have to overload that position with bodies.

It's going to be really interesting what happens at the #3 RB position. I can see Aldridge or Dorsey making the team over Rock if one of them has an outstanding preseason on special teams. Our 3rd RB won't get more than 15 carries all season so he's got to make his money on teams. We've severely lacked explosiveness on teams for years now and that's the one thing both of them bring.

You also have 5 safeties, I doubt we go past 4.

I guess I could see that.. we haven't always had that many safeties on the team.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

Originally Posted by Paintrain

I think we can reduce the number of DL by 2, specifically at DE. We can go into the season with Orapko, Daniels, Carter and Jackson (assuming Wilson is a LB) and be fine. We have enough players on the DL that can play multiple positions (Alexander, Daniels, Haynesworth) that we don't have to overload that position with bodies.

It's going to be really interesting what happens at the #3 RB position. I can see Aldridge or Dorsey making the team over Rock if one of them has an outstanding preseason on special teams. Our 3rd RB won't get more than 15 carries all season so he's got to make his money on teams. We've severely lacked explosiveness on teams for years now and that's the one thing both of them bring.

You also have 5 safeties, I doubt we go past 4.

I'd agree with you about DE if Orakpo was slated as a full-time DE, but he's not. As of right now, i think we should consider him a LB, reguardless of how he's listed on our roster.

Also, I think Betts is more in jeopardy of losing his job than Cartwright. Cartwright is very valuable on special teams. Betts isnt. Betts is a #2 back who rarely gets on the field. I know our coaches have said they want to get him more reps this year, but I think Mason has a chance to really challenge Betts... if he can play teams and focus on his pass protection.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I'd agree with you about DE if Orakpo was slated as a full-time DE, but he's not. As of right now, i think we should consider him a LB, reguardless of how he's listed on our roster.

Also, I think Betts is more in jeopardy of losing his job than Cartwright. Cartwright is very valuable on special teams. Betts isnt. Betts is a #2 back who rarely gets on the field. I know our coaches have said they want to get him more reps this year, but I think Mason has a chance to really challenge Betts... if he can play teams and focus on his pass protection.

I think Betts seeing less reps probably has more to do with Portis than Betts. I haven't read everything coming out of OTAs, but is there anything from the coaches that would imply Mason having a chance to make the roster?