Ultimate Building Blocks: NFC East

[rstone1979]

Haynesworth and Orakpo (if used at the line of scrimmage) both in the top ten



NFL Nation - ESPN

[Ruhskins]

From Football Outsiders, they look at 5 players on the rise, including our very own Jason Campbell.

Miles Austin, Jason Campbell or Sam Baker could be next big NFC stars - ESPN

This is an insider article, so I thought I would post the entire section on Campbell:

Jason Campbell, QB, Washington Redskins

Football Outsiders has been touting Campbell since he came out of Auburn because of his Lewin Career Forecast, our metric that uses completion percentage and games started at the college level to reliably predict NFL performance for quarterbacks chosen in the first two rounds. Over the past decade, the only first-round quarterback to come out of college with a Lewin Career Forecast superior to Campbell's is Philip Rivers.

Furthermore, it's not as if Campbell has been unimpressive; his completion percentage, touchdown-to-interception ratio, quarterback rating and DVOA have improved with each season as a professional, while his interception rate has declined. The only notable negative indicator for Campbell is a relatively high sack rate at 7.0 percent, but he gets sacked for the same reason Ben Roethlisberger gets sacked; at 6-foot-5, Campbell stands tall in the pocket and is able to make throws at the last moment that other quarterbacks wouldn't be able to get off.

Campbell heads into 2009 at a crossroads two similar quarterbacks faced after being presented with competition for their job at the end of their rookie contract. Drew Brees excelled and earned himself a mammoth deal from New Orleans; on the other hand, Byron Leftwich failed to take his game to the next level and lost his job to David Garrard. The difference between the subsequent contracts of the two players was $53 million; that's what Campbell's playing for this upcoming season.

[GTripp0012]

If Mosley is asking the question I think he is, I'm taking Campbell at QB before anyone in the division. If he's instead asking me to take the best, established player, well, then I'm still not taking Eli.

2. Tuck, for sure
3. Haynesworth, for sure
4. Orakpo, for sure
5. Jason Peters
6. Brian Westbrook
7. Felix Jones
8. Jason Witten
9. Carlos Rogers
10. I'm going to pass on DeMarcus Ware and go with DeSean Jackson

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

If Mosley is asking the question I think he is, I'm taking Campbell at QB before anyone in the division. If he's instead asking me to take the best, established player, well, then I'm still not taking Eli.

2. Tuck, for sure
3. Haynesworth, for sure
4. Orakpo, for sure
5. Jason Peters
6. Brian Westbrook
7. Felix Jones
8. Jason Witten
9. Carlos Rogers
10. I'm going to pass on DeMarcus Ware and go with DeSean Jackson

Your homerism is showing.

Campbell has accomplished the least of any starting QB in the division, his own management tried to replace him twice in the offseason, and you would pick him as a building block over Eli Manning who led his team to a Super Bowl victory? That makes no sense to me.

Orakpo? Give me a break! He hasn't played a down in the NFL. Yet, you can conveniently ignore twenty sacks by DeMarcus Ware? Again, that makes no sense to me.

I would not consider putting Carlos Rogers on that list until he learns how to catch the ball. He missed on some big play opportunities last season by dropping makeable interceptions.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Your homerism is showing.

Campbell has accomplished the least of any starting QB in the division, his own management tried to replace him twice in the offseason, and you would pick him as a building block over Eli Manning, who led his team to a Super Bowl victory? Makes no sense to me.

Orakpo? Give me a break! He hasn't played a down in the NFL. It would be kind of hard for you to produce NFL statistics to back up your claim that he belongs on that list because he has none. Yet, you can conveniently ignore twenty sacks by DeMarcus Ware?

I would not consider putting Carlos Rogers on that list until he learns how to catch the ball. He missed on some big play opportunities last season by dropping makeable interceptions. Hopefully, he's been practicing catching the ball, because he'll never be a great CB until he can make the game-changing interception.

What has Manning done lately that would make you want to call him a building block?

As for the rest, I suggest that you read the rest of the thread. You've brought up a lot of points that have already been clearly explained.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What has Manning done lately that would make you want to call him a building block?

As for the rest, I suggest that you read the rest of the thread. You've brought up a lot of points that have already been clearly explained.

I did not say Manning belongs on the list. I said that I would not put Campbell on the list over Manning.

BTW, if I had to pick one of them, then I'd pick Eli because winning a Super Bowl is a very big deal and a qualifier IMO whereas Campbell hasn't done jack.

Since you think Campbell belongs on the list, would you like to try to explain why Redskins management tried twice to get rid of Campbell during the off-season, then?

I read the rest of the thread and I don't think your explanations are valid. I just think you are dead wrong about Ware and Samuel not belonging on that list. As for Orakpo, putting anyone on the list who hasn't played a down in the NFL is absurd.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I did not say Manning belongs on the list. I said that I would not put Campbell on the list over Manning.

BTW, if I had to pick one of them, then I'd pick Eli because winning a Super Bowl is a very big deal and a qualifier IMO whereas Campbell hasn't done jack.

Since you think Campbell belongs on the list, would you like to try to explain why Redskins management tried twice to get rid of Campbell during the off-season, then?

I read the rest of the thread and I don't think your explanations are valid. I just think you are dead wrong about Ware and Samuel not belonging on that list. As for Orakpo, putting anyone on the list who hasn't played a down in the NFL is absurd.

I'd like to hear from the experts here about how serious was the team in getting Sanchez. I say this because from their actions during the draft, it appears that Orakpo was always their #1 guy. Furthermore, all signs point to Zorn sticking being on Campbell's side.

On a side note, I think Eli Manning has a tough season up ahead with no true #1 wide receiver. If he's able to have similar or better success than last season, then I think he's hands down the best QB in the conference.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

I did not say Manning belongs on the list. I said that I would not put Campbell on the list over Manning.

BTW, if I had to pick one of them, then I'd pick Eli because winning a Super Bowl is a very big deal and a qualifier IMO whereas Campbell hasn't done jack.

Since you think Campbell belongs on the list, would you like to try to explain why Redskins management tried twice to get rid of Campbell during the off-season, then?

I read the rest of the thread and I don't think your explanations are valid. I just think you are dead wrong about Ware and Samuel not belonging on that list. As for Orakpo, putting anyone on the list who hasn't played a down in the NFL is absurd.

That's fair. I would, though, and I defended it.

I still think winning a SB is a bad defense for the question at hand. Since the topic is building blocks, we could theoretically just throw out all team-related achievements since you'd be taking him off the team in the hypothetical. Jason has better fundamentals, and their statistics are pretty close, so I'd go with Jason. Again, it's pretty close between the two of them, so I'm not saying DON'T go with Eli, just that, I would not.

I would not like to try to explain the inner workings of the front office. I don't suppose you would either.

The cold truth is: if you gave me only TEN NFC East players to build an expansion franchise around, just ten, Samuel and Ware would not be on mine. This is different from saying that they are/aren't among the ten best players in the division. One of them is, one of them isn't. But either way, you have to weigh the quality of the talent against the value of loading up too much talent at a single position against simply having the best ten guys.

And Orakpo was on Mosley's list as well. Maybe that doesn't make it any less absurd, but his birth date is a great reason for using him instead of Ware as the team's primary pass rusher.

[Giantone]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

What has Manning done lately that would make you want to call him a building block?

He went 12-4 last year with wins over the Cardinal,Panthers,Steelers and the Skins ........without Plax.

[Ruhskins]

Originally Posted by Giantone

He went 12-4 last year with wins over the Cardinal,Panthers,Steelers and the Skins ........without Plax.

Actually, Eli Manning went 10-1 with Plax; 2-4* without him.

*Includes the Giant's loss to the Eagles.

[D'BOYZ]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Your homerism is showing.

Campbell has accomplished the least of any starting QB in the division, his own management tried to replace him twice in the offseason, and you would pick him as a building block over Eli Manning who led his team to a Super Bowl victory? That makes no sense to me.

Orakpo? Give me a break! He hasn't played a down in the NFL. Yet, you can conveniently ignore twenty sacks by DeMarcus Ware? Again, that makes no sense to me.

I would not consider putting Carlos Rogers on that list until he learns how to catch the ball. He missed on some big play opportunities last season by dropping makeable interceptions.

That's what I'm saying finally some unbiased opinion

[GTripp0012]

Calling Samuel the best CB in the division by far is an embarrassment. He's not better than Newman. He's not better than Rogers. He's probably not even better than Corey Webster, although I'm not going to go that far. He might not be the best CB on his own team.

DeMarcus Ware is painfully overrated. There were like 4 games last year where he may or may not have been dressed, I don't know. He's not great against the run, and a lot of his 20 sacks were concentrated in games against vastly inferior competition. Oh, and when the Cowboys needed one win in their last two games to make the playoffs, Ware got one sack, in the first quarter of the first game. He's not, say, Shawne Merriman or Justin Tuck good. Not even close.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

Calling Samuel the best CB in the division by far is an embarrassment. He's not better than Newman. He's not better than Rogers. He's probably not even better than Corey Webster, although I'm not going to go that far. He might not be the best CB on his own team.

DeMarcus Ware is painfully overrated. There were like 4 games last year where he may or may not have been dressed, I don't know. He's not great against the run, and a lot of his 20 sacks were concentrated in games against vastly inferior competition. Oh, and when the Cowboys needed one win in their last two games to make the playoffs, Ware got one sack, in the first quarter of the first game. He's not, say, Shawne Merriman or Justin Tuck good. Not even close.

Umm Samuel is the best corner in the division, simply because he comes up big in the playoffs, like intercepting tarvaris Jackson for a TD, then manning(s) he's physical, can play all types of coverages the whole deal, Newman isn't even in the same convorsation as him, same with rogers, if I were creating my own defense I would have nnamdi asomougha on one side and Samuel on the other side

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Nflnick11

Umm Samuel is the best corner in the division, simply because he comes up big in the playoffs, like intercepting tarvaris Jackson for a TD, then manning(s) he's physical, can play all types of coverages the whole deal, Newman isn't even in the same convorsation as him, same with rogers, if I were creating my own defense I would have nnamdi asomougha on one side and Samuel on the other side

You'd have more credibility on that interception claim if you conveniently left off who was slinging the ball.

[Nflnick11]

Originally Posted by tryfuhl

You'd have more credibility on that interception claim if you conveniently left off who was slinging the ball.

Haha true, but if I hadn't said who it was, then someone would of said who it was against, in a comment like yours