Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers

redsk1 · 06-05-2009, 12:33 PM

Rank em. Let's call modern day pitchers, one who've played in the last 20 years. The overall best.

Tom Glavine 305 W/ 203 L 3.54 ERA 2607 SO
Greg Maddox 355/227 3.16 ERA 3371 SO
Roger Clemens 354/184 3.12 ERA 4672 SO
Randy Johnson 300/164 3.28 4845 SO
Pedro Martinez 214/99 2.91 3117 SO
Kurt Shilling 216/146 3.46 3116 SO
John Smoltz 210/147 3.26 3011 154 Saves
Missing Any?

My take:

1. RJ- Huge SO #, 136 games over .500, very good era
2. GM- Almost had him #1, one of the lowest eras, 128 games over .500, 355 w's, dominant in his day
3. RC-could rank him higher than 3rd b/c of the roids. The stats say he's #1.
4. TG-305, dominant in the 90's, sheer #'s
5. JS- 154 saves is a real accomplishment, dominant stuff as a closer and starter, not done yet i guess
6. PM- Best era, a hof in my book, a little shy on longevity though
7. CS- great clutch performer

SmootSmack · 06-05-2009, 12:39 PM

Mariano Rivera has to be on that list

GMScud · 06-05-2009, 12:47 PM

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Mariano Rivera has to be on that list

When talking about closers, Trevor Hoffman has been pretty awesome overall as well.

Schneed10 · 06-05-2009, 02:26 PM

Kevin Brown is borderline. He had a couple absolutely fantastic seasons. But injuries hurt him in the longevity category.

BringBackJoeT · 06-08-2009, 04:21 PM

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Kevin Brown is borderline. He had a couple absolutely fantastic seasons. But injuries hurt him in the longevity category.

Wasn't he named in the Mitchell report? I'm not saying that necessarily matters for purposes of this discussion, but I'm just curious--wasn't he in there?

redsk1 · 06-08-2009, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Schneed10

Kevin Brown is borderline. He had a couple absolutely fantastic seasons. But injuries hurt him in the longevity category.

Kevin Brown W 211/ L 144 3.28 era SO 2397

Similar to Shilling and John Smoltz but not nearly the amount of SO's. So he's in the second tier. Smoltz has a similar record and era but a ton of saves to go w/ it.

Schneed10 · 06-05-2009, 02:28 PM

Nolan Ryan pitched into the early 90s, does he count?

redsk1 · 06-08-2009, 09:44 AM

Yes, Rivera and Hoffman are HOF's. I should have put starting pitchers. Nolan Ryan played thru 93, but let's limit this to starting pitchers who've played the majority of their careers in the 90's or 00's. NR would be in there though.

Schneed, who was that dude that charged the mound on NR? I think it was a 3rd baseman, White Sox? Got the tar beat out of him.

SmootSmack · 06-08-2009, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by redsk1

Yes, Rivera and Hoffman are HOF's. I should have put starting pitchers. Nolan Ryan played thru 93, but let's limit this to starting pitchers who've played the majority of their careers in the 90's or 00's. NR would be in there though.

Schneed, who was that dude that charged the mound on NR? I think it was a 3rd baseman, White Sox? Got the tar beat out of him.

Robin Ventura

hooskins · 06-08-2009, 10:14 PM

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Robin Ventura

That, along with Canseco's "header", are some of my favorite baseball highlights that come to mind.

GMScud · 06-10-2009, 01:26 AM

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Robin Ventura

That was such a great moment. Rookie Robin Ventura has the balls to charge Nolan Ryan? Nolan got old man strong on his ass. The headlock/haymaker combo was fantastic. Probably my favorite all time sports fight, although when Kyle Farnsworth was on the Cubs, he had an epic take down on some chump who dared charge the mound on a 6-4 240lb black belt.

GTripp0012 · 06-10-2009, 03:38 AM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

That was such a great moment. Rookie Robin Ventura has the balls to charge Nolan Ryan? Nolan got old man strong on his ass. The headlock/haymaker combo was fantastic. Probably my favorite all time sports fight, although when Kyle Farnsworth was on the Cubs, he had an epic take down on some chump who dared charge the mound on a 6-4 240lb black belt.

Farnsworth has since been epically taking down every bullpen he's pitched in.

redsk1 · 06-10-2009, 02:38 PM

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Originally Posted by GMScud

That was such a great moment. Rookie Robin Ventura has the balls to charge Nolan Ryan? Nolan got old man strong on his ass. The headlock/haymaker combo was fantastic. Probably my favorite all time sports fight, although when Kyle Farnsworth was on the Cubs, he had an epic take down on some chump who dared charge the mound on a 6-4 240lb black belt.

Yes, the Nolan/Ventura fight was awesome. One of the best ever. RV got the snot beat out of him. Baseball is great. Farnsworth is a fighting sob too that's for sure.

BDBohnzie · 06-08-2009, 02:24 PM

Mike Mussina (270/153 3.68 2813) is the only one I can think of to add to that list. There are definitely some guys under 32 that will have the potential to be added this list (Halladay, Oswalt, Peavy, Santana).

redsk1 · 06-08-2009, 02:32 PM

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Mike Mussina (270/153 3.68 2813) is the only one I can think of to add to that list. There are definitely some guys under 32 that will have the potential to be added this list (Halladay, Oswalt, Peavy, Santana).

Agreed. MM is a great pitcher.

Those four have a good shot too. Add Sabathia to the under 32 crowd.

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redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers Yes, Rivera and Hoffman are HOF's. I should have put starting pitchers. Nolan Ryan played thru 93, but let's limit this to starting pitchers who've played the majority of their careers in the 90's or 00's. NR would be in there though. Schneed, who was that dude that charged the mound on NR? I think it was a 3rd baseman, White Sox? Got the tar beat out of him.

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BDBohnzie Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Frederick, MD Age: 45 Posts: 4,628	Re: Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers Mike Mussina (270/153 3.68 2813) is the only one I can think of to add to that list. There are definitely some guys under 32 that will have the potential to be added this list (Halladay, Oswalt, Peavy, Santana). __________________ Bad Things man, I mean bad things... “WE TOOK HIM IN THE SIXTH ROUND SO WE'RE NOT SMART EITHER.” - Shanny on what the Skins saw in Alfred Morris

06-05-2009, 12:33 PM	#1
redsk1 The Starter Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,351	Rank The Best Modern Day Pitchers Rank em. Let's call modern day pitchers, one who've played in the last 20 years. The overall best. Tom Glavine 305 W/ 203 L 3.54 ERA 2607 SO Greg Maddox 355/227 3.16 ERA 3371 SO Roger Clemens 354/184 3.12 ERA 4672 SO Randy Johnson 300/164 3.28 4845 SO Pedro Martinez 214/99 2.91 3117 SO Kurt Shilling 216/146 3.46 3116 SO John Smoltz 210/147 3.26 3011 154 Saves Missing Any? My take: 1. RJ- Huge SO #, 136 games over .500, very good era 2. GM- Almost had him #1, one of the lowest eras, 128 games over .500, 355 w's, dominant in his day 3. RC-could rank him higher than 3rd b/c of the roids. The stats say he's #1. 4. TG-305, dominant in the 90's, sheer #'s 5. JS- 154 saves is a real accomplishment, dominant stuff as a closer and starter, not done yet i guess 6. PM- Best era, a hof in my book, a little shy on longevity though 7. CS- great clutch performer

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