Half Assed Rebuilding Mode

[BleedBurgundy]

Anyone else notice the bipolar nature of our front office?<sarcasm> I can't get my head around the moves we appear to be making. On one hand, we make insanely large "win now" type deals, where we sign the biggest free agent on the market and give Hall a huge deal. We patch the oline where possible, instead of drafting to fix it long term. We openly court an unhappy pro bowl qb, effectively showing a lack of confidence in our own first rounder from a few years back. All of those moves seem to say that the front office thinks we're ready to win now.

Contrary to that, we are now apparently ready to start over (again) at the qb position and put ourselves in a position where we will be starting a rookie qb and potentially a 2nd year virtual rookie at wr in either kelly or thomas. I don't get it. Are we rebuilding or going for it all? Seems to me that the teams that are successful in transforming from below average to a contender go full throttle and blow things up, starting from scratch. The fact that the Skins live in this constant state of self delusion is going to doom us to more and more seasons of mediocrity (at best). At this point, I don't care what we do personnel wise so long as we can see some discernible plan. Until that happens, we're spinning our wheels.

If we draft Sanchez, I'd like to see the following moves:

1) Trade any senior veteran with value whose cap hit is not prohibitive. Honestly, I think we need to consider 28 and older "senior."

2) Focus playing time on developing younger players at the expense of playing time for vets. It's the only way we're going to grow our own guys and see if they're worth anything.

3) Commit to the head coach for the next 5 years.

Basically, this is the scorched earth approach to rebuilding.

Would you guys rather see us keep bailing water, hoping for the odd 9-7/10-6 trip to the playoffs or do you think we're better off blowing it up and starting over?

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by BleedBurgundy

Anyone else notice the bipolar nature of our front office?<sarcasm> I can't get my head around the moves we appear to be making. On one hand, we make insanely large "win now" type deals, where we sign the biggest free agent on the market and give Hall a huge deal. We patch the oline where possible, instead of drafting to fix it long term. We openly court an unhappy pro bowl qb, effectively showing a lack of confidence in our own first rounder from a few years back. All of those moves seem to say that the front office thinks we're ready to win now.

Contrary to that, we are now apparently ready to start over (again) at the qb position and put ourselves in a position where we will be starting a rookie qb and potentially a 2nd year virtual rookie at wr in either kelly or thomas. I don't get it. Are we rebuilding or going for it all? Seems to me that the teams that are successful in transforming from below average to a contender go full throttle and blow things up, starting from scratch. The fact that the Skins live in this constant state of self delusion is going to doom us to more and more seasons of mediocrity (at best). At this point, I don't care what we do personnel wise so long as we can see some discernible plan. Until that happens, we're spinning our wheels.

If we draft Sanchez, I'd like to see the following moves:

1) Trade any senior veteran with value whose cap hit is not prohibitive. Honestly, I think we need to consider 28 and older "senior."

2) Focus playing time on developing younger players at the expense of playing time for vets. It's the only way we're going to grow our own guys and see if they're worth anything.

3) Commit to the head coach for the next 5 years.

Basically, this is the scorched earth approach to rebuilding.

Would you guys rather see us keep bailing water, hoping for the odd 9-7/10-6 trip to the playoffs or do you think we're better off blowing it up and starting over?

Well said about the direction or lack of direction our front office appears to be headed in.
If we do in fact give up something to move up and take Sanchez than he must be our starter for this coming season. JC has to be out of here via trade. With that said than we should just trade a veteran that is not in our long term future plans ( Jansen,Betts, ARE,C.Griffth,Smoot) for future picks.
I also agree to let the young WR and TE (Davis) play as much as possible. The Redskins are always looking for the short cut to success which doesn't work in the NFL. Check out Indy before Peyton and his Rookie year record.

[SmootSmack]

I think we (fans and front office) have to be willing to be terrible for the sake of long term success. Like the Cowboys of the late 80s/early 90s before their run. I don't know that we are willing.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

I think we (fans and front office) have to be willing to be terrible for the sake of long term success. Like the Cowboys of the late 80s/early 90s before their run. I don't know that we are willing.

I'd be more willing if I wasn't convinced that every other year we'd restart the whole process. If we ever actually tried to rebuild in a real way it'd be by spending 3 straight years of fully complimented drafts executed well. That's all it takes.

I have been a big DS backer but even I am getting wary of his inability (apparently) to understand how this league works. There isn't a single team out there that has built a consistent winner by trading away draft picks. Free agency has it's place...as a compliment to building your team solidly through drafting. The dalliance with Sanchez is baffling to me.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by FRPLG

I'd be more willing if I wasn't convinced that every other year we'd restart the whole process. If we ever actually tried to rebuild in a real way it'd be by spending 3 straight years of fully complimented drafts executed well. That's all it takes.

I have been a big DS backer but even I am getting wary of his inability (apparently) to understand how this league works. There isn't a single team out there that has built a consistent winner by trading away draft picks. Free agency has it's place...as a compliment to building your team solidly through drafting. The dalliance with Sanchez is baffling to me.

Well, I think as fans we're as a whole remarkably impatient. Why isn't Rinehart starting? Why isn't Devin Thomas leading the league in receiving yards? But that's fine I guess. We can be impatient, but Snyder and co. don't need to be. They don't need to be fans or listen to the fans. They're supposed to be the voices of reason against the fans' insanity. That's why I find it amusing how people complain how the Redskins don't care or listen to the fans. That's not what I want them doing.

[KI Skins Fan]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, I think as fans we're as a whole remarkably impatient. Why isn't Rinehart starting? Why isn't Devin Thomas leading the league in receiving yards? But that's fine I guess. We can be impatient, but Snyder and co. don't need to be. They don't need to be fans or listen to the fans. They're supposed to be the voices of reason against the fans' insanity. That's why I find it amusing how people complain how the Redskins don't care or listen to the fans. That's not what I want them doing.

Agreed.

I believe that the problem is that the owner is the Redskins' #1 fan and he pushes his FO to do the same short-sighted things that many of us would do.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by KI Skins Fan

Agreed.

I believe that the problem is that the owner is the Redskins' #1 fan and he pushes his FO to do the same short-sighted things that many of us would do.

I think you're partly right. He owns the team but he really shouldn't be involved with football decisions. Money decisions absolutly but anything involving evaluation of talent is out. I USED to think the assertions that he was involved in those kinds of decisions were stupid. Now when I hear Dan Synder is enamored with Mark Sanchez it makes me wonder why Snyder is involved in a way that allows him to be "enamored" and affect our drafting.

[SFREDSKIN]

My understanding on building a roster is, first you have see what's going on within your division (we play 6 games there). You have to watch what the Cowboys, Giants and Eagles do. All 3 of those teams have formidable DLines and pretty good OLines. You have to build to compete against them.

Last year our weaknesses were our OL pass protection and our D getting tired on the 4th quarter and wilting against physical teams and lack of a pass rush. Our LB's were either hurt, old or tired from carrying the load of trying to make up for the lack of quality starters. We addressed the DL by signing Haynesworth which most people in this forum said that the lack of push up the middle was our main weakness in Defense.

My question is since most people say that DLinemen or nose guards are more important than a DE, then why are we trying to draft an OT instead of a C/G to control that part of the line?

I would draft Alex Mack to protect the middle (he can handle most anyone), then a LB, followed by a DE and an OT.

I would love to see our OL look like this:

Samuels, Dockery, Mack, Devin Clark or Rinehart, Jansen/Heyer.

[Trample the Elderly]

Half-assed rebuilding? I don't know what this is? Honestly, I have no clue what this is all about.

There is one good point to all of this. Next year we'll have a first rounder in the top five if Danny doesn't trade it away tomorrow. Now that would be the lowest of the low. If he does that this isn't rebuilding. That would be throwing the pot in for one lucky roll of the dice.

Nice Avatar Angry. At least it's not the Cowboys.

[FRPLG]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, I think as fans we're as a whole remarkably impatient. Why isn't Rinehart starting? Why isn't Devin Thomas leading the league in receiving yards? But that's fine I guess. We can be impatient, but Snyder and co. don't need to be. They don't need to be fans or listen to the fans. They're supposed to be the voices of reason against the fans' insanity. That's why I find it amusing how people complain how the Redskins don't care or listen to the fans. That's not what I want them doing.

Agreed. I don't want them listening to MOST fans. Some fans are reasonable. I think I am generally pretty patient with thsi team and Snyder. I am starting to lose it. The constant starting and restarting is grating.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, I think as fans we're as a whole remarkably impatient. Why isn't Rinehart starting? Why isn't Devin Thomas leading the league in receiving yards? But that's fine I guess. We can be impatient, but Snyder and co. don't need to be. They don't need to be fans or listen to the fans. They're supposed to be the voices of reason against the fans' insanity. That's why I find it amusing how people complain how the Redskins don't care or listen to the fans. That's not what I want them doing.

Nobody requires as much patience as Redskins fans.

[Stuck in TX]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Nobody requires as much patience as Redskins fans.

And because of this, unfortunately we are a dying breed

[Defensewins]

I think the owner and FO need to be willing to be terrible for the sake of the long term success. I do not think they are willing.
Snyderratto has proven time and time again that they do not have the patience to build through the draft, not the fans. Look at the spending in FA this offseason. Just when I thought he learned from Gibbs, he goes out and signs Albert to the richest contract for a defensive player in the history of the NFL. At a time when we have many many holes to fill.
To be fair not all the moves have been bad.

In the 10 seasons Snyder has owned the team we have had 6 head coaches. Six head coaches in ten years, not to mention the diffrent offensive systems our players have had to learn.

Here is the sad list of starting Qb's during Snyder's tenure:

1) Brad Johnson (only good one and we cut him)
2) Jeff George (head case/borderline retard)
3) Tony Banks (wow what a winner)
4) Shane Matthews (not qualified)
5) Patrick Ramsey (not qualified)
6) Danny Wuerffel (sucked)
7) Tim Hasselbeck (not qualified)
8) Back to Patrick Ramsey
9) Mark Brunnell (past his prime)
10) Jason Campbell (different offense every year, no line last year)
11) Todd Collins (due to injury)
12) Back to Jason Campbell


We are going to trust them to pick another QB when we do not even know for sure if Campbell is the real deal or not?
Put a good line in front of Campbell and give him a fair chance. Build the lines first then get your dream QB.
Vinny and Dan were skipping school and out getting getting high on the day they taught how to build a team through the draft and keep your picks day.

After watching the 10 greatest drafts show on NFL Net last night, it reinforced more that all the great "Dynasty" teams were built primarily through the draft. I am talking about great drafts top to bottom. We currently do not have the FO that is capable to draft like that.

Sorry this is so long.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think the owner and FO need to be willing to be terrible for the sake of the long term success. I do not think they are willing.
Snyderratto has proven time and time again that they do not have the patience to build through the draft, not the fans. Look at the spending in FA this offseason. Just when I thought he learned from Gibbs, he goes out and signs Albert to the richest contract for a defensive player in the history of the NFL. At a time when we have many many holes to fill.
To be fair not all the moves have been bad.

In the 10 seasons Snyder has owned the team we have had 6 head coaches. Six head coaches in ten years, not to mention the diffrent offensive systems our players have had to learn.

Here is the sad list of starting Qb's during Snyder's tenure:

1) Brad Johnson (only good one and we cut him)
2) Jeff George (head case/borderline retard)
3) Tony Banks (wow what a winner)
4) Shane Matthews (not qualified)
5) Patrick Ramsey (not qualified)
6) Danny Wuerffel (sucked)
7) Tim Hasselbeck (not qualified)
8) Back to Patrick Ramsey
9) Mark Brunnell (past his prime)
10) Jason Campbell (different offense every year, no line last year)
11) Todd Collins (due to injury)
12) Back to Jason Campbell


We are going to trust them to pick another QB when we do not even know for sure if Campbell is the real deal or not?
Put a good line in front of Campbell and give him a fair chance. Build the lines first then get your dream QB.
Vinny and Dan were skipping school and out getting getting high on the day they taught how to build a team through the draft and keep your picks day.

After watching the 10 greatest drafts show on NFL Net last night, it reinforced more that all the great "Dynasty" teams were built primarily through the draft. I am talking about great drafts top to bottom. We currently do not have the FO that is capable to draft like that.

Sorry this is so long.

Don't apologize. Great Post! I agree with everything you said Defensewins and I just wish the FO had as good a grip on what it takes to become a winning team as you do. The only thing I disagree with is Jeff George, I think Borderline Retard is being too kind.

[skins89moss]

Originally Posted by Defensewins

I think the owner and FO need to be willing to be terrible for the sake of the long term success. I do not think they are willing.
Snyderratto has proven time and time again that they do not have the patience to build through the draft, not the fans. Look at the spending in FA this offseason. Just when I thought he learned from Gibbs, he goes out and signs Albert to the richest contract for a defensive player in the history of the NFL. At a time when we have many many holes to fill.
To be fair not all the moves have been bad.

In the 10 seasons Snyder has owned the team we have had 6 head coaches. Six head coaches in ten years, not to mention the diffrent offensive systems our players have had to learn.

Here is the sad list of starting Qb's during Snyder's tenure:

1) Brad Johnson (only good one and we cut him)
2) Jeff George (head case/borderline retard)
3) Tony Banks (wow what a winner)
4) Shane Matthews (not qualified)
5) Patrick Ramsey (not qualified)
6) Danny Wuerffel (sucked)
7) Tim Hasselbeck (not qualified)
8) Back to Patrick Ramsey
9) Mark Brunnell (past his prime)
10) Jason Campbell (different offense every year, no line last year)
11) Todd Collins (due to injury)
12) Back to Jason Campbell


We are going to trust them to pick another QB when we do not even know for sure if Campbell is the real deal or not?
Put a good line in front of Campbell and give him a fair chance. Build the lines first then get your dream QB.
Vinny and Dan were skipping school and out getting getting high on the day they taught how to build a team through the draft and keep your picks day.

After watching the 10 greatest drafts show on NFL Net last night, it reinforced more that all the great "Dynasty" teams were built primarily through the draft. I am talking about great drafts top to bottom. We currently do not have the FO that is capable to draft like that.

Sorry this is so long.

I totally agree with you that we do not have stability at the most important positions HC and QB. Teams that have that will normally be a successful franchise. We have been a mediocrity at best since DS purchased the Redskins.