Observation on Campbell

[BeastsoftheNFCeast]

This is a little late to say now that the season is over...but its something thats been bugging me. Jason Campbell is slow in everything he does. When I watch him back in the pocket, he has no urgency to throw the ball; he takes forever to look look at his second or third target, he has a slow release on the ball, he doesnt drop back quickly, and hes not that fast of a runner (and the worst slider Ive ever seen...seriously its not that hard). I think he's got an OK arm (good strength, not so good acuracy), seems to make OK decisions when he throws the ball, but makes too many non decisions due to his slow processing. I really dont think this guy can get the job done and we need to get someone who can.

[44ever]

as stated in many threads Campbell is in his 3rd scheme in 5 years. His confusion reflects this IMO

I think we we all see the same thing and our best option is to give the current system a little more time

Just as frustrated as you are

[GMScud]

Another JC thread?? Ad nauseum....

[irish]

Originally Posted by 44ever

as stated in many threads Campbell is in his 3rd scheme in 5 years. His confusion reflects this IMO

I think we we all see the same thing and our best option is to give the current system a little more time

Just as frustrated as you are

That excuse just doesnt hold water. Matt Ryan is literally a rookie and had no problem picking up his new system and reviving a team lietrally from the dead. If JC could do it he'd have done it by now. Sonny hasnt seen any flashes of brilliance (and neither have most of us) and its time to face the reality that JC just isnt an NFL QB.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by irish

That excuse just doesnt hold water. Matt Ryan is literally a rookie and had no problem picking up his new system and reviving a team lietrally from the dead. If JC could do it he'd have done it by now. Sonny hasnt seen any flashes of brilliance (and neither have most of us) and its time to face the reality that JC just isnt an NFL QB.

1) Matt Ryan's system isn't the WCO. He also had an MVP caliber RB performing injury free and consistently all season

2) "JC just isn't an NFL QB." Ummm, wrong. Every QB in the league on a 53 man roster is an "NFL QB." JC could start for plenty of teams in the league, let alone be a very good backup.

What about the Redskins do you actually like?

[SBXVII]

Originally Posted by GMScud

1) Matt Ryan's system isn't the WCO. He also had an MVP caliber RB performing injury free and consistently all season

2) "JC just isn't an NFL QB." Ummm, wrong. Every QB in the league on a 53 man roster is an "NFL QB." JC could start for plenty of teams in the league, let alone be a very good backup.

What about the Redskins do you actually like?

Hey GM, perhaps I'm wrong but I thought the WCO was supposed to be the easiest to learn and the fastest. It has only a few to a hanful of basic formations that all the other plays develope from. I thought Gibbs system was supposed to be the hardest do to all the different base formations and motions.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Hey GM, perhaps I'm wrong but I thought the WCO was supposed to be the easiest to learn and the fastest. It has only a few to a hanful of basic formations that all the other plays develope from. I thought Gibbs system was supposed to be the hardest do to all the different base formations and motions.

According to Matt Hassleback and Donovan McNabb it takes about 3 years to learn it and execute it efficiently.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by SBXVII

Hey GM, perhaps I'm wrong but I thought the WCO was supposed to be the easiest to learn and the fastest. It has only a few to a hanful of basic formations that all the other plays develope from. I thought Gibbs system was supposed to be the hardest do to all the different base formations and motions.

I'm no expert, but from my understanding it's the other way around. Steve Young said it takes a QB a minimum of two years to really become fully adept in the West Coast system. I believe it's one of the most complex.

[44ever]

Originally Posted by GMScud

1) Matt Ryan's system isn't the WCO. He also had an MVP caliber RB performing injury free and consistently all season

2) "JC just isn't an NFL QB." Ummm, wrong. Every QB in the league on a 53 man roster is an "NFL QB." JC could start for plenty of teams in the league, let alone be a very good backup.

What about the Redskins do you actually like?

Well said GMScud. And I might add the system was new to Ryan not his entire Offense.

Oh and, Let's keep it Football!

[30gut]

Originally Posted by irish

That excuse just doesnt hold water. Matt Ryan is literally a rookie and had no problem picking up his new system and reviving a team lietrally from the dead. If JC could do it he'd have done it by now. Sonny hasnt seen any flashes of brilliance (and neither have most of us) and its time to face the reality that JC just isnt an NFL QB.

Comparing apples and oranges.
Look i like Matt Ryan but put Campbell on the Falcons and IMO you would get similiar if not better production then Ryan.

Did you stop to compare their situations?

Matt Ryan has a veteran OC and playcaller in Mike Mularkey. Mularkey runs a vertical play-action heavy passing attack, as opposed to JC who is in the 1st year of the WCO which takes at 3 years to master JC has a 1st time playcaller Zorn and a 1st time OC Sherman Smith (who is new to the WCO himself.)

Matt Ryan has been only been sacked 17 times he's the 8th least sacked QB in the NFL. Campbell has been sacked 38 times tied for 4th most.

Falcons have the #2 ranked rushing offense in the NFL which drives their play-action heavy passing attack. Redskins have the 8th ranked rushing offense but the WCO doesn't feature alot of play-action.

Having Mike Mularkey on staff is IMHO the number one reason for Ryan's success.

Mike Mularkey comes to the Falcons with a vast amount of coaching and playing experience in the NFL, which includes two years as a Head Coach (Buffalo Bills) and two stints as an Offensive Coordinator — one with the Pittsburgh Steelers (2001–2003), and the other with the Miami Dolphins (2006). He also forged a successfull playing career that spanned nine years in the League as a tight end for the Minnesota Vikings (1983–1988) and Pittsburgh Steelers (1989–1991).

Atlanta Falcons | People | Mike Mularkey

*Also they have a fulltime QB coach in Bill Musgrave. Zorn is JC's QB coach which is great, but Zorn is also the HC and therefore can't give JC fulltime attention therefore Zorn relies on 1st time NFL assistant Chris Meidt (Div. II HC) to help out with QB coach duties.


Not exactly comparing like with like huh?

Also, JC has had a good season under adverse circumstances.
Look at the numbers:
Jason Campbell WAS QB 315 506 62.3 31.6 3,245 6.4 202.8 13 6 162 32.0 67T 34 3 38 84.3

And if you can't see it in the numbers listen to the experts:

Jason Campbell - Audio - ESPN

ESPN Ron Jaworski was considering JC for league MVP during the 1st half of the season.

Yet, despite all this:

JC just isnt an NFL QB

Instead of saying JC isn't good.
Just say the truth.
Despite how good JC is.... You don't like him.

[irish]

Originally Posted by 30gut

Comparing apples and oranges.
Look i like Matt Ryan but put Campbell on the Falcons and IMO you would get similiar if not better production then Ryan.

Did you stop to compare their situations?

Matt Ryan has a veteran OC and playcaller in Mike Mularkey. Mularkey runs a vertical play-action heavy passing attack, as opposed to JC who is in the 1st year of the WCO which takes at 3 years to master JC has a 1st time playcaller Zorn and a 1st time OC Sherman Smith (who is new to the WCO himself.)

Matt Ryan has been only been sacked 17 times he's the 8th least sacked QB in the NFL. Campbell has been sacked 38 times tied for 4th most.

Falcons have the #2 ranked rushing offense in the NFL which drives their play-action heavy passing attack. Redskins have the 8th ranked rushing offense but the WCO doesn't feature alot of play-action.

Having Mike Mularkey on staff is IMHO the number one reason for Ryan's success.

Mike Mularkey comes to the Falcons with a vast amount of coaching and playing experience in the NFL, which includes two years as a Head Coach (Buffalo Bills) and two stints as an Offensive Coordinator — one with the Pittsburgh Steelers (2001–2003), and the other with the Miami Dolphins (2006). He also forged a successfull playing career that spanned nine years in the League as a tight end for the Minnesota Vikings (1983–1988) and Pittsburgh Steelers (1989–1991).

Atlanta Falcons | People | Mike Mularkey

*Also they have a fulltime QB coach in Bill Musgrave. Zorn is JC's QB coach which is great, but Zorn is also the HC and therefore can't give JC fulltime attention therefore Zorn relies on 1st time NFL assistant Chris Meidt (Div. II HC) to help out with QB coach duties.


Not exactly comparing like with like huh?

Also, JC has had a good season under adverse circumstances.
Look at the numbers:
Jason Campbell WAS QB 315 506 62.3 31.6 3,245 6.4 202.8 13 6 162 32.0 67T 34 3 38 84.3

And if you can't see it in the numbers listen to the experts:

Jason Campbell - Audio - ESPN

ESPN Ron Jaworski was considering JC for league MVP during the 1st half of the season.

Yet, despite all this:

Instead of saying JC isn't good.
Just say the truth.
Despite how good JC is.... You don't like him.

Last time I checked they dont give MVPs for 8 games. I bet Jaws wouldnt consider him anywhere near MVP now (especially since P. Manning won it and JC isnt anywhere close to him). I dont like JC as QB because he isnt that good.

[GMScud]

Originally Posted by irish

Last time I checked they dont give MVPs for 8 games. I bet Jaws wouldnt consider him anywhere near MVP now (especially since P. Manning won it and JC isnt anywhere close to him). I dont like JC as QB because he isnt that good.

How about you back that up with something concrete? You don't like anything about the Redskins as far as I can tell.

[BigHairedAristocrat]

I see the same thing that you do in Campbell - except instead of making excuses for him, i recognize that he's just not a good NFL QB, he's certainly too slow to be a good fit for the WCO. Hopefully we have an open competition in camp for the starting QB. If campbell wins it, then atleast he can earn it.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by BigHairedAristocrat

I see the same thing that you do in Campbell - except instead of making excuses for him, i recognize that he's just not a good NFL QB, he's certainly too slow to be a good fit for the WCO. Hopefully we have an open competition in camp for the starting QB. If campbell wins it, then atleast he can earn it.

Jason Campbell - Audio - ESPN

OPEN YOUR EARS AND LISTEN TO THE EXPERTS!!

[REDSKIN1]

My main problem with Campbell is his intensity and command of the field. I do beleive that his reads are a little slow, but that will change over time as he gets used to the West Coast system and he knows where all his receivers are. He needs to work on his short passing game, he either throws the ball to hard and the receivers have a hard time catching the ball or he is completely off target on an open receiver. He needs to work on touch passing in the medium to short passing game. This brings me to my main concern: Jason needs to get a burning fire in the pit of his stomach and play with a greater intensity. So many times this year he would drop back to pass and get sacked before he could look down field, afterwards he would just get up and shuffel back to the huddle, only for the same situation to happen later. If that was Peyton Manning he would be up in the lines faces letting them know that they need to block their man. Jason acts as though he is afraid to say anything to the o-line. I'm not saying to disrespect them, but if they see the fire in his eyes and can feed off of his intensity that would ultimately make the off. play better. Jason needs to take a look at the other successful quaterbacks in this league and how they lead their teams.