Mike Martz

[dmek25]

will not return to San Fransisco. anyone open to the idea of him coming back to Washington? i wouldn't mind

[steveo395]

nnoooooooooo!!!!!!!! All it would be is another Al Saunders. We need continuity.

[DynamiteRave]

Originally Posted by steveo395

nnoooooooooo!!!!!!!! All it would be is another Al Saunders. We need continuity.

How is bringing in an OC no continuity?

Zorn is calling the plays right now and we all know how well that's working out. We keep the same playbook and have someone sitting in the booth actually running them with some sort of strategy.

As for if Martz is that guy? Can't say for sure.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by DynamiteRave

How is bringing in an OC no continuity?

Zorn is calling the plays right now and we all know how well that's working out. We keep the same playbook and have someone sitting in the booth actually running them with some sort of strategy.

As for if Martz is that guy? Can't say for sure.

Mike Martz runs a 'vertical' passing game.
Zorn runs /installing the WCO.
I agree about getting some WCO coaches on staff but Mike Martz wouldn't help b/c he wouldn't know the WCO either.

[BigRedskinDaddy]

Originally Posted by steveo395

nnoooooooooo!!!!!!!! All it would be is another Al Saunders. We need continuity.

I disagree. Zorn wore way too many hats this year, what with running the whole show, calling his own plays AND acting as JC's position coach; the end result was a too-predictable attack and often silly clock/execution mistakes in games. Bringing in an OC who would call the plays lets him focus more on continuing to coach his QB up, and getting the rest of his team to play harder for him than they did this year after that stellar 6-2 start.

Besides, Martz is nothing if not a brilliant offensive coordinator. The man knows how to go at defenses and score points in bunches. After the year this fledgling Midwest Coast Offense has just had I for one would love me a little of that.

[Dirtbag59]

I'm all for bringing in an OC but unless he has background in the WCO it wouldn't make a whole lot of sense.

[jdlea]

I'm not at all for Mike Martz. The guy thinks he's a genius and he's stunk ever since leaving the Rams. No thanks

[The Goat]

Pretty sure I asked this question in another thread and didn't hear anything back: who might Zorn bring in as a WCO playcaller/OC? After all the time he's spent in football he's got to have some folks he's thought of working with.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

Pretty sure I asked this question in another thread and didn't hear anything back: who might Zorn bring in as a WCO playcaller/OC? After all the time he's spent in football he's got to have some folks he's thought of working with.

I don't think Zorn plans on anyone else calling the plays but him. Unless he decides to turn it over to Sherman Smith. Remember, he doesn't think the playcalling is the problem....it's the execution.

[The Goat]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't think Zorn plans on anyone else calling the plays but him. Unless he decides to turn it over to Sherman Smith. Remember, he doesn't think the playcalling is the problem....it's the execution.

I still tend to agree w/ him, but it's pretty obvious, almost painfully obvious, the playbook has to be expanded to make our offense really competitive. Been wondering if Zorn just hasn't trusted the guys enough, not just the rooks but JC and the rest of the veteran squad also, to open things up and get crafty? From his perspective it's pretty reasonable to demand execution on the simple stuff before graduating his players to the "magic" we all know resides in WCO land.

[53Fan]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I still tend to agree w/ him, but it's pretty obvious, almost painfully obvious, the playbook has to be expanded to make our offense really competitive. Been wondering if Zorn just hasn't trusted the guys enough, not just the rooks but JC and the rest of the veteran squad also, to open things up and get crafty? From his perspective it's pretty reasonable to demand execution on the simple stuff before graduating his players to the "magic" we all know resides in WCO land.

I think that's how he sees it.

[steveo395]

Why does Dorn need to bring in a new coordinator. He already brought in Sherman Smith, who was his own guy, last year.

[30gut]

Originally Posted by The Goat

I still tend to agree w/ him, but it's pretty obvious, almost painfully obvious, the playbook has to be expanded to make our offense really competitive. Been wondering if Zorn just hasn't trusted the guys enough, not just the rooks but JC and the rest of the veteran squad also, to open things up and get crafty? From his perspective it's pretty reasonable to demand execution on the simple stuff before graduating his players to the "magic" we all know resides in WCO land.

^^Great question.
IMO the offensive line struggles played a huge role in the lack of offense. Early in the season the run blocking and pass-pro were good. The plays were creative and the offense scored points.
As the season progressed the offensive line struggles began and pass-pro declined. Zorn changes the play calling because of the pass-pro problems. I recall Zorn saying that he called quicker rhythm pass plays i.e 3-step drop passes to take the pressure off the o-line and to keep Jason upright.
Defense's then gear themselves to cover three step drop routes because they know that we can't/won't attack downfield. And with our receivers corps its a simple task...bracket coverage on Moss and Cooley or some underneath zone.

Its hard to call plays knowing that your offensive cannot hold up.
My problem is that after Zorn realized this he couldn't/didn't find creative plays within the 3-step drop framework. Our offensive consisted mostly of I-From 3 step drop hitches, square in and slants with very few formations, limited shifts and motion.

IMO this is where having an OC new to the WCO and coaches and assistants that don't know the WCO hurt.

How can Zorn (the HC, play caller, defacto QB coach and assistant OC) find the time to recognize the changes needed at each postion then teach/show Sherman Smith the changes needed so that he can teach/show the position coaches who aren't familiar with the WCO? How can these postion coaches ask the questions about the changes unless they have Zorn's input?

Did anyone notice the changes after Zorn gave the players the day off last monday when Zorn said that the coaches were going to reevaluate the offense?

They used a formation we had not seen all year: I-Form Single Wide w/ double TE stack

IMO this shows if given enough time CAN make changes. And the only way for Zorn to get more time is to wear fewer hats. In order to wear fewer hats he needs coaches that he know the system.

Originally Posted by 53Fan

I don't think Zorn plans on anyone else calling the plays but him. Unless he decides to turn it over to Sherman Smith. Remember, he doesn't think the playcalling is the problem....it's the execution.

Part of the problem is execution. When a play is called and eveything works out and the pass is dropped or fumbled its an execution issue.
Same with false starts, holding, pass interference, illegal formation, missed blocks, miss reads by the RB or QB, and errant passes.

Originally Posted by steveo395

Why does Dorn need to bring in a new coordinator. He already brought in Sherman Smith, who was his own guy, last year.

I agree 100%.
I don't think Smith's job is in jeopardy b/c i remember reading that Zorn and Smith are friends and Zorn had to convince Smith to come here.
I doubt that Zorn would hire a new OC. Smith's track record shows that he is a good coach and if given the time and help should succeed as an WCO OC.
But, that isn't to say that Zorn/Vinnie shouldn't hire a couple of offensive assistants and/or a QB coach or postion coaches familiar from a WCO.

Originally Posted by The Goat

Pretty sure I asked this question in another thread and didn't hear anything back: who might Zorn bring in as a WCO playcaller/OC? After all the time he's spent in football he's got to have some folks he's thought of working with.

I have no idea who Zorn might bring in, but i have my ideas from:
http://www.thewarpath.net/redskins-l...-screen-2.html

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[Dblock804]

Martz looks like a deer in the headlights, or like Eli.

[tryfuhl]

Originally Posted by Dblock804

Martz looks like a deer in the headlights, or like Eli.

A superbowl champ in the past decade? Oh yeah, they both have that!

Not that I think that he's the guy for the job. Besides, why would Zorn can his own boy after one year?