Zorn has to take some blame

[hooskins]

I love Zorny, and I think he will be a great coach here but he needs to figure out what is going on. You cant put full blame on execution the last 5 games. he needs to change something up, because our offense is terrible.

JC gets no time, rollouts etc are a good idea. And if the line and the WRs are playing like ass you are in the end responsible for doing something.

Today was bad, and we started really poorly, but that is no excuse. Zorn needs to man up and take some blame. I didn't see the presser today but I hope he did so...

[GTripp0012]

I don't know if calling rollouts is the answer. Zorn bails out the offense with so many perfectly timed screens and draws. I'm not sure how much more imaginative we can be with the playcalling. If we can't execute simple one cut routes properly, I'm not sure that we could execute any sort of gadget play either.

With that said, Zorn seems to be fighting himself on decisions the whole game. He can't even decide whether he wants to let the clock run out or run some sort of bizarre 30 second offense. The challenge he made, while ultimately helpful to the cause, was just a bizarre decision. He punted in opponents territory with a minute to go in the 2nd quarter and one yard to gain...while we were getting shut out!

Jim Zorn is maybe 9th or 10th on the list of reasons we lost today, but he definately did not have a good game.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know if calling rollouts is the answer. Zorn bails out the offense with so many perfectly timed screens and draws. I'm not sure how much more imaginative we can be with the playcalling. If we can't execute simple one cut routes properly, I'm not sure that we could execute any sort of gadget play either.

With that said, Zorn seems to be fighting himself on decisions the whole game. He can't even decide whether he wants to let the clock run out or run some sort of bizarre 30 second offense. The challenge he made, while ultimately helpful to the cause, was just a bizarre decision. He punted in opponents territory with a minute to go in the 2nd quarter and one yard to gain...while we were getting shut out!

Jim Zorn is maybe 9th or 10th on the list of reasons we lost today, but he definately did not have a good game.

The 2 bolded parts I completely agree with. the first part (using rb release screens to take advantage of overly-aggressive defenses) was great considering its BEEN 4 WEEKS SINCE WE FINALLY SAW SOME KIND OF COACHING ADJUSTMENT TO SUCCESS THE TEAMS ScOUTING AGAINST US SAW WHEn THEY BROUGHT PRESSURE. for some reason the ravens decided to keep things up the middle instead of exploiting us on the outside run like we/ve seen the past few weeks. maybe its because they went up ealry 14-0 and knew we wouldnt get 14. this lose was one of the most debilitating and "reality setting in"losses ive experienced since weve had the samuels, jansen etc. out stregthens next year will be aged considering samuels, kendal jansen rabach, fletcher griffin made up our team core of players. all we got is landry (who is a great player but no ST), a suspect mcintosh and rogers. horton produces but he is in the producing position for our D (anyone can play well and close to the ball with landry on roaming responsibilties).

our window has closed, if you disagree look back to your posts when gibbs 2 took over and see IF THIS YEAR WASNT THE YEAR FOR US 4 YEARS AGO. fact is our o line studs are old and half our D players (fletch n griff) studs are old/

[skinsfan69]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

I don't know if calling rollouts is the answer. Zorn bails out the offense with so many perfectly timed screens and draws. I'm not sure how much more imaginative we can be with the playcalling. If we can't execute simple one cut routes properly, I'm not sure that we could execute any sort of gadget play either.

With that said, Zorn seems to be fighting himself on decisions the whole game. He can't even decide whether he wants to let the clock run out or run some sort of bizarre 30 second offense. The challenge he made, while ultimately helpful to the cause, was just a bizarre decision. He punted in opponents territory with a minute to go in the 2nd quarter and one yard to gain...while we were getting shut out!

Jim Zorn is maybe 9th or 10th on the list of reasons we lost today, but he definately did not have a good game.

The screens are a total waste of time cause there are a million guys lurking around the line.

[MTK]

Something just isn't right with the offense, obviously. Things have gone totally stale over the second half of the season. At least earlier in the year we could move the ball pretty well. Now we can't even do that consistently.

Of course Zorn has to shoulder some of the blame.

His protection schemes seem pretty piss poor to me right now and is a big part of the problem. I know people hated Gibbs' max protect stuff, but I'm longing for some of that right now and I'm sure JC is too.

And of course we all need to keep in mind Zorn is a rookie HC who's never been a coordinator and has never called plays at this level. He's very much a work in progress.

[A10sROCK]

right now i think zorn is too close to the fire. Other teams have studied the rookie OC and Head Coach. Some of his favorite plays are being detected by the defenses and he's too predictable in some cases.

However, i also see plays that show imagination and he certainly has the guts to take chances. It must be heartbreaking to see how it all falls apart due to penalties and other execution problems.

I think Zorn will take the blame and will bring in someone else as OC this off season. He'll have to make improvements in the personnel in the offense. He'll see why some many Head Coaches are so tough and cranky.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Something just isn't right with the offense, obviously. Things have gone totally stale over the second half of the season. At least earlier in the year we could move the ball pretty well. Now we can't even do that consistently.

Of course Zorn has to shoulder some of the blame.

His protection schemes seem pretty piss poor to me right now and is a big part of the problem. I know people hated Gibbs' max protect stuff, but I'm longing for some of that right now and I'm sure JC is too.

And of course we all need to keep in mind Zorn is a rookie HC who's never been a coordinator and has never called plays at this level. He's very much a work in progress.

If that is the case, then why isn't Bugel in Zorns ear a little bit? Or maybe he has been. IDK. It just seems silly to have an Oline coach of that cailber and have your QB getting killed game in and game out.

[irish]

Originally Posted by Angry

If that is the case, then why isn't Bugel in Zorns ear a little bit? Or maybe he has been. IDK. It just seems silly to have an Oline coach of that cailber and have your QB getting killed game in and game out.

Maybe Zorn needs to get into Bugel's ear a bit more and get this line blocking better.

[hooskins]

Originally Posted by irish

Maybe Zorn needs to get into Bugel's ear a bit more and get this line blocking better.

One of the few times I agree with you...

[hooskins]

Problem is Zorn doesn't usually take blame at his pressers. he comes off as arrogant at times.

[SkinDogg]

Originally Posted by hooskins

Problem is Zorn doesn't usually take blame at his pressers. he comes off as arrogant at times.

Yeah, noticed that too, especially with George Michael and Sonny. There's a difference between arrogance and confidence.

[MTK]

Honestly I don't care what he says as long as he works on fixing the problems. People always get their panties in a wad over the pressers. People hated that Gibbs always took the blame and never threw players under the bus, now people want Zorn to take the blame, hilarious.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Honestly I don't care what he says as long as he works on fixing the problems. People always get their panties in a wad over the pressers. People hated that Gibbs always took the blame and never threw players under the bus, now people want Zorn to take the blame, hilarious.

I want Zorn to take his share of blame when appropriate. Expecting Greisinger to pass protect against Terell Suggs with ZERO help is asinine. I don't want to hear about lack of execution on a play like that when it was clearly Zorn's decision to put us in a bad matchup.

[53Fan]

Zorn and this whole offense are a work in progress. I know it's not very satisfying right now, but we have a good draft, pick up a couple of FA's and I think we're gonna look pretty good next year. I'm always optimistic but I never thought we'd win the Super Bowl this year.

[over the mountain]

Originally Posted by 53Fan

Zorn and this whole offense are a work in progress. I know it's not very satisfying right now, but we have a good draft, pick up a couple of FA's and I think we're gonna look pretty good next year. I'm always optimistic but I never thought we'd win the Super Bowl this year.

Problem is that our core strength or reason we've been competitive the past 6 years will be gone. samuels, kendall, rabach, thomas, jansen, moss, ARE, portis, fletcher, griffin, springs and maybe JC (with his K being up after next year) will most likely be replaced in 2 years.

You dont get guys like samuels, thomas, jansen, portis, moss, cooley so easily. we had our group at or close to their "peak" and didnt cash in. maybe we keep cooley but the other peices are going to need to be replaced before zorn makes any run. UNLESS SAMUELS, KENDALL, RABACH, THOMAS JANSEN/HEYER have a resurrgence while JC clicks in the final year. next year is our absolute last chance under the current core skins players.