Zorn-o-meter

CRedskinsRule · 12-05-2008, 09:18 AM

With the 3rd quarter done, I still am at a 3 with JZ, it was a brutal quarter no doubt, but, he did no worse than the rest of the coaches this decade. I hope over this final quarter we see alot of maturation from JZ and his offense. Still he is keeping his head above water and so that is a good thing.

irish · 12-05-2008, 10:00 AM

I am still at a 4 or 5 with Zorn. I think he's a breath of fresh air (especially compared to his predecessor) and a great young (as in he can stay here awhile and build a team) coach. I think he's stuck with players that just cant do what he wants the offense to do. IMO hiring JZ as head coach is the best move DS & Co. have made.

JoeRedskin · 12-05-2008, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by irish

I am still at a 4 or 5 with Zorn. I think he's a breath of fresh air (especially compared to his predecessor) and a great young (as in he can stay here awhile and build a team) coach. I think he's stuck with players that just cant do what he wants the offense to do. IMO hiring JZ as head coach is the best move DS & Co. have made.

Wow. A (mostly) positive post from irish - Has any one checked hell to see if the demons are ice-fishing??

7-5, beating Philly and Dallas in their backyards in his first year? Even with the brutal third quarter, he is still a 4 in my book.

Hog1 · 12-05-2008, 12:46 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRedskin

Wow. A (mostly) positive post from irish - Has any one checked hell to see if the demons are ice-fishing??

7-5, beating Philly and Dallas in their backyards in his first year? Even with the brutal third quarter, he is still a 4 in my book.

While it was somewhat stunning to hear a....not generally negative appraisal of Zorn, "The I" did not miss the oppurtunity to twist the knife in Joe2's back...........

irish · 12-05-2008, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

While it was somewhat stunning to hear a....not generally negative appraisal of Zorn, "The I" did not miss the oppurtunity to twist the knife in Joe2's back...........

I dont think I have ever posted a neg thing about Zorn. I thought it was a great hire from the beginning.

Hog1 · 12-05-2008, 07:19 PM

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Originally Posted by irish

I dont think I have ever posted a neg thing about Zorn. I thought it was a great hire from the beginning.

I know you just call em' like you see um...Irish.
..............site detente'........?? Joe, that is awesome

JoeRedskin · 12-05-2008, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Hog1

While it was somewhat stunning to hear a....not generally negative appraisal of Zorn, "The I" did not miss the oppurtunity to twist the knife in Joe2's back...........

Yes, I got that too. In the spirit of site detente', however, I chose to ignore it.

Quite frankly, and IMHO, without Joe Gibbs, there is no Jim Zorn. But that is a whole other thread.

charlielyons · 12-05-2008, 10:19 AM

I like what Jim Zorn is doing with the Redskins.....I hope the FO allows him to stick around for a while and really develop this team to their potential

over the mountain · 12-05-2008, 10:23 AM

4 . . . seems the team is starting to come un-done alil due to the losing streak (atleast the media makes it out that way with "JC sensitive to criticism" comments all week on radio, zorn calling out players, etc) so if zorn cant get the players back on track (win or lose, winning cures all thoo) he might slip to a 3 in my book. should be interesting to see if zorn can re-capture whatever focus the players have lost in this last important stretch run.

go skinss!!

BrunellMVP? · 12-05-2008, 10:25 AM

he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason).

charlielyons · 12-05-2008, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason).

i was under the impression Portis did not like Joe Gibbs stye of offense because Portis was forced to pound the rock all the time. i believe he said in an interview "that style of running takes years off his shelf life"

irish · 12-05-2008, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason).

That's what I mean by JZ being hamstrung by the talent. His QB & WRs just wont let him do what he really wants to do with the O. Portis is a different story. He has been very good considering the load he's had to carry. I wonder how much will be left of CP after this season and the pounding he's had to take.

GusFrerotte · 12-05-2008, 10:55 PM

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Originally Posted by BrunellMVP?

he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason).

I agree with you about keeping Zorn, but If JC falters again in the '09 campaign I am not sure Snyder resigns him. After '09 JC will have had about the same time as a starter as Frerotte and more than Ramsey. Frerotte didn't have the quality team around him as JC now does thus, couldn't get the job done, and he wasn't the greatest QB either, but we did score more. Ramsey was just slaughtered by Spurrier and his dumb idea of trying to bring in a college gameplan to the pros. To be honest I think Gibbs should have given him at least a few more games to see how he would have turned out. Anyway, if JC is average next season and asks for a raise do you really think Snyder is going to gamble having an average QB be his starter for the next 2-4 seasons? I like JC, but his output thus far doesn't warrant a new contract, unless he improves immensely in '09.

MTK · 12-05-2008, 10:33 AM

The running game isn't classic Joe Gibbs, it's more of a hybrid of Gibbs/Saunders now with much more stretch plays and zone blocking schemes, and I'm sure there has been some minor tweaks and twists added by Zorn, Smith, and Mitchell. When was the last time you saw a counter this year? I haven't seen it.

SouperMeister · 12-05-2008, 10:34 AM

I'm still at a 5, and here's why: With the personal attention that he's giving Campbell, we will know by next year whether Campbell is trending toward becoming an elite QB, or a journeyman. The scheme certainly hasn't appeared to be the problem to me. O linemen getting beaten, WRs dropping 1st downs, and Jason occasionally making a poor throw are what's holding the offense back. I believe that we're a lot closer to turning the corner than it would appear, but IMO, it all starts up front with the O-line. Once they become more consistent, I'm optimistic that Zorn's offense will start humming.

12-05-2008, 09:18 AM	#1
CRedskinsRule Living Legend Join Date: Aug 2008 Age: 57 Posts: 21,421	Zorn-o-meter With the 3rd quarter done, I still am at a 3 with JZ, it was a brutal quarter no doubt, but, he did no worse than the rest of the coaches this decade. I hope over this final quarter we see alot of maturation from JZ and his offense. Still he is keeping his head above water and so that is a good thing.

12-05-2008, 10:00 AM	#2
irish Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 4,575	Re: Zorn-o-meter I am still at a 4 or 5 with Zorn. I think he's a breath of fresh air (especially compared to his predecessor) and a great young (as in he can stay here awhile and build a team) coach. I think he's stuck with players that just cant do what he wants the offense to do. IMO hiring JZ as head coach is the best move DS & Co. have made.

12-05-2008, 10:19 AM	#8
charlielyons Special Teams Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Richmond, Va Posts: 394	Re: Zorn-o-meter I like what Jim Zorn is doing with the Redskins.....I hope the FO allows him to stick around for a while and really develop this team to their potential

12-05-2008, 10:23 AM	#9
over the mountain Playmaker Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: close to the edge Posts: 4,926	Re: Zorn-o-meter 4 . . . seems the team is starting to come un-done alil due to the losing streak (atleast the media makes it out that way with "JC sensitive to criticism" comments all week on radio, zorn calling out players, etc) so if zorn cant get the players back on track (win or lose, winning cures all thoo) he might slip to a 3 in my book. should be interesting to see if zorn can re-capture whatever focus the players have lost in this last important stretch run. go skinss!!

12-05-2008, 10:25 AM	#10
BrunellMVP? Impact Rookie Join Date: Sep 2006 Posts: 726	Re: Zorn-o-meter he's not done much...basically we are running the same stuff we ran under gibbs. Portis seems to prefer it, but the passing game has stalled. I'm def. not horny for zorny, but i'm not over him either. Let's give him a couple more years (and Jason). __________________ in writing these daily letters and trying to make them interesting it is always possible that some sentiment may occur which has not received the severe and deliberate scrutiny and reconsideration which should attach to a State Paper. - Churchill

12-05-2008, 10:33 AM	#14
MTK \m/ Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: NY Age: 52 Posts: 99,511	Re: Zorn-o-meter The running game isn't classic Joe Gibbs, it's more of a hybrid of Gibbs/Saunders now with much more stretch plays and zone blocking schemes, and I'm sure there has been some minor tweaks and twists added by Zorn, Smith, and Mitchell. When was the last time you saw a counter this year? I haven't seen it. __________________ Support The Warpath! \| Warpath Shop

12-05-2008, 10:34 AM	#15
SouperMeister Playmaker Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Leesburg, VA Age: 60 Posts: 3,419	Re: Zorn-o-meter I'm still at a 5, and here's why: With the personal attention that he's giving Campbell, we will know by next year whether Campbell is trending toward becoming an elite QB, or a journeyman. The scheme certainly hasn't appeared to be the problem to me. O linemen getting beaten, WRs dropping 1st downs, and Jason occasionally making a poor throw are what's holding the offense back. I believe that we're a lot closer to turning the corner than it would appear, but IMO, it all starts up front with the O-line. Once they become more consistent, I'm optimistic that Zorn's offense will start humming.

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