Mason v. Rock

[mmil12]

After watching the first preseason game Mason looked much better then Rock. This has been the story for the past two preseasons. If the redskins only go with 3 backs on the open day roster does Mason have a shot given all the extras that Rock brings to the team? Thoughts?

[wilsowilso]

I wish we could keep Mason, but Rock plays a specific and valuable role on special teams therefore making it almost impossible for Mason to make the team instead of Rock.

[mmil12]

I don't think they keep 4 RB's either. It's too bad because Mason appears to be a better fit for the running game that we run in DC. Could Betts possibly be on the way out? I've read on this site that he might be in jeopardy of getting cut.

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by mmil12

I don't think they keep 4 RB's either. It's too bad because Mason appears to be a better fit for the running game that we run in DC. Could Betts possibly be on the way out? I've read on this site that he might be in jeopardy of getting cut.

The way I worked it out we could easily carry 4 RB's on the roster (keep in mind I don't know how the ST units are put together outside of the K, P, and LS) but it's definately possible.

Edit: Shit I forgot it's a 53 man roster, not 55. Italics denote guys I cut after the fabled 55 man roster.

Offense (in no particular order) - 25 Players

QB

J. Campbell, T. Collins, C. Brennan

RB

C. Portis, L. Betts, R. Cartwright, M. Mason

FB

M. Sellers
WR
S. Moss, ARE, J. Thrash, M. Kelly, D. Thomas, A. Mix

TE

C. Cooley, F. Davis, T. Yoder

OL

J. Jansen, C. Samuals, S. Heyer, J. Fabini, P. Kendall, R. Thomas, C. Rhinehart, C. Rabach

Defense (in no particular order) - 25 Players

DT
C. Griffin, A. Montgomery, L. Alexander, K. Golston

DE
J. Taylor, A. Carter, C. Wilson, D. Evans, E. James
LB
M. Washington, R. McIntosh, K. Campbell, M. Sinclair, L. Fletcher, H. Blades
CB
S. Springs, F. Smoot, J. Tryon, C. Rogers, L. Torrence

S

R. Doughty, C. Horton, L. Landry, K. Moore, V. Fox

K/P/LS - 3 Players

S. Shuisam, D. Brooks, E. Albright

Practice Squad
Maurice Mann (WR), B. Westbrook (CB), Nemo (FB), C. Gatewood (LB), A. Crummey (C/G), R. Jackson (DE), Martell Richardson (CB)

Possible Midseason Callbacks Due to Injury
M. Askew (DT), R. Boschetti (DT), Billy McMullen (WR), Jason Goode (TE),

So as you can see it's very possible for Mason to win a roster spot. Also in this scenario Wade and Askew got cut so those are two that could easily change some time during the year. Boschetti also gets cut.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Dirtbag359

The way I worked it out we could easily carry 4 RB's on the roster (keep in mind I don't know how the ST units are put together outside of the K, P, and LS) but it's definately possible.

Edit: Shit I forgot it's a 53 man roster, not 55. Italics denote guys I cut after the fabled 55 man roster.

Offense (in no particular order) - 25 Players

QB

J. Campbell, T. Collins, C. Brennan

RB

C. Portis, L. Betts, R. Cartwright, M. Mason

FB

M. Sellers
WR
S. Moss, ARE, J. Thrash, M. Kelly, D. Thomas, A. Mix

TE

C. Cooley, F. Davis, T. Yoder

OL

J. Jansen, C. Samuals, S. Heyer, J. Fabini, P. Kendall, R. Thomas, C. Rhinehart, C. Rabach

Defense (in no particular order) - 25 Players

DT
C. Griffin, A. Montgomery, L. Alexander, K. Golston

DE
J. Taylor, A. Carter, C. Wilson, D. Evans, E. James
LB
M. Washington, R. McIntosh, K. Campbell, M. Sinclair, L. Fletcher, H. Blades
CB
S. Springs, F. Smoot, J. Tryon, C. Rogers, L. Torrence

S

R. Doughty, C. Horton, L. Landry, K. Moore, V. Fox

K/P/LS - 3 Players

S. Shuisam, D. Brooks, E. Albright

Practice Squad
Maurice Mann (WR), B. Westbrook (CB), Nemo (FB), C. Gatewood (LB), A. Crummey (C/G), R. Jackson (DE), Martell Richardson (CB)

Possible Midseason Callbacks Due to Injury
M. Askew (DT), R. Boschetti (DT), Billy McMullen (WR), Jason Goode (TE),

So as you can see it's very possible for Mason to win a roster spot. Also in this scenario Wade and Askew got cut so those are two that could easily change some time during the year. Boschetti also gets cut.

No way they keep six wideouts -- there'll be five at most, and then one would be inactive every week. I believe the rule of thumb is to keep 9 or 10 offensive linemen. That means Mix is gone, unless he can unseat Thrash. I don't see that happening.

Nemo can't be on the practice squad anymore since this is his third year.

I think they'll also need one more fullback behind Sellers. That makes Mason the odd man out.

[jamf]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

No way they keep six wideouts -- there'll be five at most, and then one would be inactive every week. I believe the rule of thumb is to keep 9 or 10 offensive linemen. That means Mix is gone, unless he can unseat Thrash. I don't see that happening.

Nemo can't be on the practice squad anymore since this is his third year.

I think they'll also need one more fullback behind Sellers. That makes Mason the odd man out.

also, There is no way we go into the season with one backup Offensive Tackle.

[SFREDSKIN]

Originally Posted by jamf

also, There is no way we go into the season with one backup Offensive Tackle.

How about Heyer and Alexander?

[Dirtbag59]

Originally Posted by jamf

also, There is no way we go into the season with one backup Offensive Tackle.

I know. I accounted for the fact that Fabini played tackle for most of his career as well as the fact that the team is currently giving Rhinehart reps at T.


Zorn indicated that Rinehart could "be a factor" this year because of his versatility. He could back up at both guard and tackle positions.
"I wish we could keep at one position," Zorn said. "For a rookie to come in and play both positions and do decently, we're pretty excited about that."

So with that you have 5 possible tackles dressing up on gameday. 4 Guards and 1.5 Centers which is why you have Crummey on the practice squad.

My predictions might not be the most accurate but they do have some substance to them

[freddyg12]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

No way they keep six wideouts -- there'll be five at most, and then one would be inactive every week. I believe the rule of thumb is to keep 9 or 10 offensive linemen. That means Mix is gone, unless he can unseat Thrash. I don't see that happening.

Nemo can't be on the practice squad anymore since this is his third year.

I think they'll also need one more fullback behind Sellers. That makes Mason the odd man out.

Sure about that? I haven't looked at all the position scenarios, but I've thought all along that they might make it work to keep 6 wr's for 3 reasons:
1) injuries; we're already seeing the hamstring problems & it's a position that has frequent injury problems & has been in the past (Moss)
2) Both Mix & Thrash play spec teams & play it well. Don't know if they'd have the #4 wr play teams, but that would make it even more feasible to keep 6.
3) Solid Depth; the potential of all these wideouts combined w/Thrash's value to the team might allow them to keep 6. Zorn is an offensive guy too.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by freddyg12

Sure about that? I haven't looked at all the position scenarios, but I've thought all along that they might make it work to keep 6 wr's for 3 reasons:
1) injuries; we're already seeing the hamstring problems & it's a position that has frequent injury problems & has been in the past (Moss)
2) Both Mix & Thrash play spec teams & play it well. Don't know if they'd have the #4 wr play teams, but that would make it even more feasible to keep 6.
3) Solid Depth; the potential of all these wideouts combined w/Thrash's value to the team might allow them to keep 6. Zorn is an offensive guy too.

Keeping six wideouts means there would only be room for one fullback, and that's not going to happen for a West Coast offense.

[Meks]

trade betts 4 a few picks to get back what we spent on taylor.

keep mason & rock.

[mmil12]

Originally Posted by Meks

trade betts 4 a few picks to get back what we spent on taylor.

keep mason & rock.

Not a bad idea! I would stock piling a few draft picks for him. However, if we were going to do that we should've done it after his 1000 yard season. His value coming off last season is low. Plus, if CP gets hurt, I am much more comfortable with Ladell back there.

[Meks]

i'm not that big a fan of Betts... so i'm a little bias i guess but i like the idea of trading him for a few picks.

[Big C]

we have no idea how mason would do against actual starters in a regular season game. betts is proven in this league, mason is not. he had a good pre-season game, we should not jump to conclusions over one pre-season game. if portis were to go down, i would be extremely uncomfortable handing the run game over to someone who has no regular season experience and someone who hasnt run the ball in years in rock.

[mmil12]

It's tough to trade Betts because he has proven to be a valuable back up in the past. However, the skins do have to ask themselves if they are willing to carry 4 RB's, cut Mason, cut Rock, or try and make a trade to an RB needy team. I don't think they can keep mason on the practice squad this year. The only way they do that is if they cut Devine...which I am all for! We don't need him as a 4th qb.