Now that Favre is officially done, where does he rank all time?

[jsarno]

We always talk about, "wait until he retires then we'll talk". Well, Brett has officially called it quits, so where does he rank among the all time qbs in your mind?

[MTK]

Top 10 probably.

For me, just going by the QBs I've personally seen in my lifetime... top 5.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Top 10 probably.

For me, just going by the QBs I've personally seen in my lifetime... top 5.

I can understand that.
For me, I put him top 3. My reasoning why is the fact that he did not do things like everyone else. He'd throw that shovel pass, or throw deep off his back foot. While that is dumb, it worked for him. To me, what counteracts the int's is the fact that he was by far the toughest QB to ever live.
I wonder if 5 years from now, if Favre will be my #1?

[Redskins247]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I can understand that.
For me, I put him top 3. My reasoning why is the fact that he did not do things like everyone else. He'd throw that shovel pass, or throw deep off his back foot. While that is dumb, it worked for him. To me, what counteracts the int's is the fact that he was by far the toughest QB to ever live.
I wonder if 5 years from now, if Favre will be my #1?

I'm with you on this....and my argument for him being #1 is that he never had a really GREAT receiver or receivers....Montana had Rice, Marino had Duper & Clayton early on when he put up the big numbers, Mannings had Wayne & Harrison, etc....much the same type of comparison that Gibbs won 3 Superbowls with 3 different qbs....he just won and had so much fun doing it....he always looked like a kid out there when they won. I will say Brady is following him closely....3 Super Bowls with no great receivers....and look at the numbers he put up when he got one....but it didn't get him a 4th......yet.

[Rajmahal33]

Top 5 Definitely for me...the man was a testament to how tough a QB could be (mentally and physically).

[Skinsfanmania]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Top 10 probably.

For me, just going by the QBs I've personally seen in my lifetime... top 5.

With all due respect, right off the top of my head, I'd take Marino, Elway, Aikmen, Montana, Brady and P. Manning before Favre and that is five right there. There are many, many more quarterbacks that I'd take before Favre, but those are five that have played over the last 15 to 20 years.

I don't think Favre is in the top 10 all time. He may have had a lot of touchdown passes and yards, but look at the amount of interceptions he had. He was an undisciplined quarterback that broker records due to his health and longevity. He also was aided by playing in the same system for almost his entire career.

[KLHJ2]

Statistically he is the best ever holding most passing records. Championship wise he is in the top 10. Passer Rating wise he is in the top 15.
Top 20 - Passer Rating - Pro Football Hall of Fame

I would have to say number 4 all time taking everything else into consideration.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Statistically he is the best ever holding most passing records. Championship wise he is in the top 10. Passer Rating wise he is in the top 15.
Top 20 - Passer Rating - Pro Football Hall of Fame

I would have to say number 4 all time taking everything else into consideration.

Just out of curiousity, who would be the 3 above him in your opinion?

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

Just out of curiousity, who would be the 3 above him in your opinion?

Unitas
Montanna
Elway

Based mostly on passer rating and Championships. If we based it on records alone then Favre has everyone beat. If we base it on championships alone then we are talking about Montanna, Bradshaw, Brady, and then everyone else. If we are talking about Strictly passer rating and Scrambling ability the it is hands down Steve Young and then everybody else. So with all things considered, there is my list with Young pulling in 5th.

[jsarno]

Originally Posted by angryssg

Unitas
Montanna
Elway

Based mostly on passer rating and Championships. If we based it on records alone then Favre has everyone beat. If we base it on championships alone then we are talking about Montanna, Bradshaw, Brady, and then everyone else. If we are talking about Strictly passer rating and Scrambling ability the it is hands down Steve Young and then everybody else. So with all things considered, there is my list with Young pulling in 5th.

I respect your opinion, and can get on board with Montana and Unitas, but elway???? No. Let's compare:

Keep in Mind, Elway played 16 years for the Broncos and Favre played 16 years for the Packers. Favre did play 2 games for the Falcons, but had only 4 attempts and made 0 completions. So there is no such thing as inflated stats here since the comparison is using the exact same amount of years.

Passer Rating - 85.7% Favre / 79.9% Elway
Championships - 2 Elway / 1 Favre
Records - 100 Favre / 0 Elway j/k
Favre threw 145 go ahead tds / Elway threw 103
Elway threw 30 game tying tds / Favre threw 27 tying tds
Favre threw 39 playoff tds / Elway threw 27
Competion % - 61.4% Favre / 56.9% Elway
Seasons 60.0%+ - 11 times Favre / 3 times Elway
Passing Yards - 61,655 Favre / 51,475 Elway
4000+ passing yard seasons - 5 times Favre / 1 time Elway
Passing TDs- 442 Favre / 300 Elway
Total Tds - 455 Favre / 334 Elway (* 1- receiving)
Avg TD per start - 1.80 Favre / 1.44 Elway
Longest TD - 99 yards Favre / 80 yards Elway
Average Passing yards per start - 243.7 Favre / 222.8 Elway
Pro Bowls - 9 Favre / 9 Elway
All Pro - 7 Favre / 5 Elway
MVP's - 3 Favre / 1 Elway

Of course, a lot of these are stat based, but the ONLY argument that can be made for Elway over Favre is more Super Bowls. Everything else, including MVPS goes to Favre. It's a slam dunk that Favre was better.

[KLHJ2]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I respect your opinion, and can get on board with Montana and Unitas, but elway???? No. Let's compare:

Keep in Mind, Elway played 16 years for the Broncos and Favre played 16 years for the Packers. Favre did play 2 games for the Falcons, but had only 4 attempts and made 0 completions. So there is no such thing as inflated stats here since the comparison is using the exact same amount of years.

Passer Rating - 85.7% Favre / 79.9% Elway
Championships - 2 Elway / 1 Favre
Records - 100 Favre / 0 Elway j/k
Favre threw 145 go ahead tds / Elway threw 103
Elway threw 30 game tying tds / Favre threw 27 tying tds
Favre threw 39 playoff tds / Elway threw 27
Competion % - 61.4% Favre / 56.9% Elway
Seasons 60.0%+ - 11 times Favre / 3 times Elway
Passing Yards - 61,655 Favre / 51,475 Elway
4000+ passing yard seasons - 5 times Favre / 1 time Elway
Passing TDs- 442 Favre / 300 Elway
Total Tds - 455 Favre / 334 Elway (* 1- receiving)
Avg TD per start - 1.80 Favre / 1.44 Elway
Longest TD - 99 yards Favre / 80 yards Elway
Average Passing yards per start - 243.7 Favre / 222.8 Elway
Pro Bowls - 9 Favre / 9 Elway
All Pro - 7 Favre / 5 Elway
MVP's - 3 Favre / 1 Elway

Of course, a lot of these are stat based, but the ONLY argument that can be made for Elway over Favre is more Super Bowls. Everything else, including MVPS goes to Favre. It's a slam dunk that Favre was better.

Point taken, but everyone has an opinion.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by jsarno

I respect your opinion, and can get on board with Montana and Unitas, but elway???? No. Let's compare:

Keep in Mind, Elway played 16 years for the Broncos and Favre played 16 years for the Packers. Favre did play 2 games for the Falcons, but had only 4 attempts and made 0 completions. So there is no such thing as inflated stats here since the comparison is using the exact same amount of years.

Passer Rating - 85.7% Favre / 79.9% Elway
Championships - 2 Elway / 1 Favre
Records - 100 Favre / 0 Elway j/k
Favre threw 145 go ahead tds / Elway threw 103
Elway threw 30 game tying tds / Favre threw 27 tying tds
Favre threw 39 playoff tds / Elway threw 27
Competion % - 61.4% Favre / 56.9% Elway
Seasons 60.0%+ - 11 times Favre / 3 times Elway
Passing Yards - 61,655 Favre / 51,475 Elway
4000+ passing yard seasons - 5 times Favre / 1 time Elway
Passing TDs- 442 Favre / 300 Elway
Total Tds - 455 Favre / 334 Elway (* 1- receiving)
Avg TD per start - 1.80 Favre / 1.44 Elway
Longest TD - 99 yards Favre / 80 yards Elway
Average Passing yards per start - 243.7 Favre / 222.8 Elway
Pro Bowls - 9 Favre / 9 Elway
All Pro - 7 Favre / 5 Elway
MVP's - 3 Favre / 1 Elway

Of course, a lot of these are stat based, but the ONLY argument that can be made for Elway over Favre is more Super Bowls. Everything else, including MVPS goes to Favre. It's a slam dunk that Favre was better.

How about games lost by ints.
It seems that you left ints off that list or maybe they were not included.

[Darrell_Green_28]

First for Ints thrown

[SKINSnCANES]

Originally Posted by Darrell_Green_28

First for Ints thrown

yea, and plenty of them were dumb, but its not like hes rex grossman and throws 6 a game everyweek, he played for what, like 482 years? The pics will add up. Granted Marino didnt have near that many, and its a notch.

Are there any QBs with two super bowls that arent in the hall of fame (Brady will be)

[budw38]

Originally Posted by SKINSnCANES

yea, and plenty of them were dumb, but its not like hes rex grossman and throws 6 a game everyweek, he played for what, like 482 years? The pics will add up. Granted Marino didnt have near that many, and its a notch.

Are there any QBs with two super bowls that arent in the hall of fame (Brady will be)

Jim Plunkett .