Are the Changes really an improvement???

[lifetimeskin]

I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:

1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.

On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.

However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.

my 2 cents

[CPAlltheWay012]

you probably should change your avatar

[Longtimefan]

It remains to be seen. I'll be perfectly content to at least give whatever changes being implemented an opportunity to have a case made for it, right now any argument pro, or con would be pure conjecture. Let's give it all a chance to develop and see what transpires.

[dblanch66]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:

1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.

On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.

However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.

my 2 cents

well...
Gibbs retired so we sorta, kinda HAD to replace him.

[skinsnut]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:

1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.

On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.

However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.

my 2 cents

I agree with you completely.
The positive is this....what is on paper for the skins never translates well...(mostly coaches and stars not panning out)
Perhaps hiring lesser coaches on paper will actually become a benefit in reality

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by lifetimeskin

I keep thinking of giving Snyder the benefit of the doubt, but then I break it down to it's most critical elements:

1. Is Fossil/new coach > than Gibbs? Not in a million years
2. Is Blache > Williams? No way
3. Is Zorn > Saunders? Not now, Zorn is not proven as an OC.

On paper it does not seem that we have improved our coaching ranks. Having said that, there are no head coaches out there that compare favorably with Gibbs, closets is Coward {sp}. Hence, once Gibbs retired, there was going to be a drop off in that position no matter what.

However, there didn't have to be a drop off in the other 2 critical coaching positions.

my 2 cents

Well, it's not like we had any choice in the matter of having to hire a new head coach seeing as how Joe Gibbs retired. However, by your logic, is/was Williams > Gibbs? Nope.
Blache > Williams? Probably not, but Blache does get part of the credit for turning the defense around.
Zorn > Saunders? Looking at Saunders' total body of work, no at this point. Of course, we don't know what Zorn can do for us at the OC position, but we DO know what he can do for quarterbacks. Comparing them by just judging Saunders on what he's done in Washington, there wouldn't be much to improve on, so that's why the Zorn move was a good one.

[Campbell17]

No but I don't see that many other options right now.

[SouperMeister]

The best option would have been to promote Williams to HC, keep Al to continue progressing Jason Campbell, thus maintaining offensive and defensive continuity. The defense will be roughly the same with Blache, but with a new offense and new terminology, don't be surprised to see Campbell stagnate for another year or two. Asking a young QB to master 3 offenses in 4 years is no way to groom a franchise QB.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

The best option would have been to promote Williams to HC, keep Al to continue progressing Jason Campbell, thus maintaining offensive and defensive continuity. The defense will be roughly the same with Blache, but with a new offense and new terminology, don't be surprised to see Campbell stagnate for another year or two. Asking a young QB to master 3 offenses in 4 years is no way to groom a franchise QB.

Without a doubt there are many who share in your sentiment (including me) but the time has come to move on. Williams is gone, Saunders is gone, and that which is past and gone is irrevocable........Remember everything must change. In time, the changes could all prove to be for the better.

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by Longtimefan

Without a doubt there are many who share in your sentiment (including me) but the time has come to move on. Williams is gone, Saunders is gone, and that which is past and gone is irrevocable........Remember everything must change. In time, the changes could all prove to be for the better.

With the firings of this past weekend, I cannot believe that Snyder gave guidance from Gibbs any credence. That's what I find most disappointing. Gibbs knew the pulse of this team better than anyone.

[SmootSmack]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

With the firings of this past weekend, I cannot believe that Snyder gave guidance from Gibbs any credence. That's what I find most disappointing. Gibbs knew the pulse of this team better than anyone.

Well how do you know he didn't give Gibbs' guidance any credence?

[SouperMeister]

Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well how do you know he didn't give Gibbs' guidance any credence?

Why would Gibbs have asked Williams to remain in the hunt last week when Williams was ready to pull out when Fassel emerged as the leading candidate? That to me says that Gibbs advised Snyder that his first choice to succeed him was Williams. That's not just reading between the lines, that's commons sense.

[Longtimefan]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

With the firings of this past weekend, I cannot believe that Snyder gave guidance from Gibbs any credence. That's what I find most disappointing. Gibbs knew the pulse of this team better than anyone.

I think many of us were disappointed with the way both Williams and Saunders were uncerimoniously released, it wreaked with disrespect as well as unappreciation. One would think they both would have been shown a little more common courtesy.

[KLHJ2]

Williams got screwed, plain and simple. When the Redskins go to the SuperBowl because of these changes, I will change my opinion. Right now I believe that we are behind the power curve for at least 4 more seasons. At least alcohol is still being served in the DMV, I cannot imagine football season without it right now.

[lifetimeskin]

I was trying to avoid an emotional filled thread, however it seems the Snyder inflicted wounds are still open.

There is a second part to all this--- the PR image of the Redskins.


Gibbs did more for Danny's public image in 4 years than Danny did for himself in 40. Gibbs gave Danny all the positive accolades, if anything went wrong, Gibbs took the hit. However, whatever good will Gibbs built in terms of PR for Danny, Danny has erased in less than one month. This really should be a case study in a Coomunications class.

-Snyder misled the skins fan's with his "continuity" comment. If by it he meant, F.O. continuity, basically he and Cerrato, then it is still misleading.

-If he knew after 4 interviews that Gregg was not his man, then release him right then and there. There was no reason to keep him around for an additional 10 days. Bad PR move, Gregg is well liked.

- Keeping coaches in the dark while at the Senior Bowl, is disgraceful. From a personnel point of view, 1)does he really believe they will go the extra mile??? 2) Does he believe that those coaches are not spending time lining up interviews for themselves? There are about 10 coaches that still don't know their future (or at least it has been reported). I am pretty darn sure that Zorn will want to make some changes, make them now, let theses fellas out of limbo. Another disgraceful PR move.

There is one PR move that Danny can make to salvage this whole disgrace. Russ Grimm. I have read in other threads, where he still could be a candidate. Russ Grimm from a PR perspective would be a huge step in righing the PR ship. However, since Zorn and Blache have already been selected as OC/DC and Grimm has not been interviewed, then I am pretty darn sure Danny will strike out here as well.