WP article: Time for Gibbs to walk away?

[paulskinsfan]

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines

I hate to agree with the guy, but.....he does make good points.

[skinsfan0201]

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but Gibbs walked into a firestorm and has already taken a franchise to the playoffs once in his second tenure. The NFL is a much tougher place than it used to be, and I think that Joe knows what is best for Joe, but he has already put the Redskins in a far better place as a franchise than it was before he got here. And in addition, sorry but injuries do play a hell of a role in whether or not you are in contention down the line, especially when a lot of teams including the Patriots are built around the offensive line to start. So there is my opinion, maybe our writers at the Washington Post, though I respect them Shapiro, Wilbon, Kornheiser should think a little more about not trying to make such a splash with there somewhat meddling articles especially this week.

[rk3025]

Thank God that Snyder owns the team not the Washington Post with those goofballs saying Spurrier was better than Gibbs is really stupid as he turned over signal calling and had Lewis organize the team activities plus the record was not getting any better

Originally Posted by skinsfan0201

Everyone is entitled to his/her own opinion, but Gibbs walked into a firestorm and has already taken a franchise to the playoffs once in his second tenure. The NFL is a much tougher place than it used to be, and I think that Joe knows what is best for Joe, but he has already put the Redskins in a far better place as a franchise than it was before he got here. And in addition, sorry but injuries do play a hell of a role in whether or not you are in contention down the line, especially when a lot of teams including the Patriots are built around the offensive line to start. So there is my opinion, maybe our writers at the Washington Post, though I respect them Shapiro, Wilbon, Kornheiser should think a little more about not trying to make such a splash with there somewhat meddling articles especially this week.

[Riggo44]

I don't agree with this article. He makes a good point about hiring a GM but that's about it. If we had a healthy O-Line we would have ran down the clock and beaten the Packers and probably the Giants too. No one in the NFL can beat the Pat's right now. Should ever coach in the NFL but Bellacheat be fired?? I don’t think so.

[MTK]

This doesn't link to an article

[paulskinsfan]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

This doesn't link to an article

Sorry, it worked the first time I did it cause I clicked on it myself to check it out. Wierd.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

I didn't see and don't need to read the article. Whomever wrote it has no sense of timing. That is the kind of article you write in the offseason or when the team is clearly going to wind up with a bad record. To pose a question in Week 9 about whether Gibbs should hang it up is premature and, to use the word of the week, retarded.

On a related note, I'm tired of people overreacting to each and every win or loss. After the games against Miami and Philadelphia, most every fan and journalist said things like, "Good teams win close games and beat teams that they are supposed to beat. The Redskins managed to pull out wins in close games against teams that they were supposed to beat. In short, they are a good team." After the Detroit game, just about everyone was ready to send Jason to Hawaii and get order tickets to the Super Bowl. And so, with expectations generally running very high, people predicted that we would actually beat a team that is just crushing their opponents. What is aggravating is that many of the very same people who predicted that we would beat the very best team in the NFL are now jumping ship after getting beaten by a team that should have beaten us. So in one week people are predicting that we will beat the best team in the league and the next week they are predicting an implosion?

Aside from the worst of the worst and the best of the best, teams win games and they lose games. This is the NFL and, as the saying goes, "On any given Sunday." Great teams lose games that they "shouldn't" and bad teams win games even when the consensus was that they couldn't. Nevertheless, fans and the media overreact to and over-analyze each and every play in each and every game. The players fumble balls or the quarterback throws a few picks and all of the sudden the coaches go from Godsends to incompetents and the players go from studs to duds.

The fact is that this team is going to lose and win games....all with the same coaching staff, schemes, players, and jock straps. The bottom line is that this team is neither horrible nor spectacular. It is a slightly above average team that has a very good chance of making the playoffs. Could they screw it up? Sure. As they say, "On any given Sunday."

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I didn't see and don't need to read the article.

You really should read the article.

While the Patriots make everybody look bad, they haven't beaten anyone as bad as they beat the Redskins. And we were supposed to be their biggest challenge yet! What bothers me isn't the fact that we lost, I certainly didn't think we'd pull off the upset. But I didn't think we'd get smashed the way we did either.

This was the first time I've ever seen a Joe Gibbs-coached team look completely intimidated from start to finish. There was a group of men on the field in Massachusettes on Sunday afternoon, and there were a group of boys -- the Redskins played like scared little boys crying for their mommies that day.

It was sickening to watch.

I've never once called for any of these coaches to get canned. Not Gregg Williams, not Saunders, and certainly not Gibbs. But I have to admit, when Gibbs' team didn't even appear like they wanted to be on the field, my confidence in him was shaken like it never has been before. Only the most delusional of fans would have the courage to say that the Redskins gave it all they could. They played like dogs and ran away with their tails between their legs. Joe Gibbs' team reached the pathetic depths of incompetent buffoonery like it never came close to before, at a time when they had the chance to show the world that they could at least hang with the Patriots and put up some semblance of a dogfight.

In the four years that Joe Gibbs has had to right this ship, that there was such an immeasurable gap between these two teams is telling.

[birdz4gibbs]

Originally Posted by Sheriff Gonna Getcha

I didn't see and don't need to read the article. Whomever wrote it has no sense of timing. That is the kind of article you write in the offseason or when the team is clearly going to wind up with a bad record. To pose a question in Week 9 about whether Gibbs should hang it up is premature and, to use the word of the week, retarded.

On a related note, I'm tired of people overreacting to each and every win or loss. After the games against Miami and Philadelphia, most every fan and journalist said things like, "Good teams win close games and beat teams that they are supposed to beat. The Redskins managed to pull out wins in close games against teams that they were supposed to beat. In short, they are a good team." After the Detroit game, just about everyone was ready to send Jason to Hawaii and get order tickets to the Super Bowl. And so, with expectations generally running very high, people predicted that we would actually beat a team that is just crushing their opponents. What is aggravating is that many of the very same people who predicted that we would beat the very best team in the NFL are now jumping ship after getting beaten by a team that should have beaten us. So in one week people are predicting that we will beat the best team in the league and the next week they are predicting an implosion?

Aside from the worst of the worst and the best of the best, teams win games and they lose games. This is the NFL and, as the saying goes, "On any given Sunday." Great teams lose games that they "shouldn't" and bad teams win games even when the consensus was that they couldn't. Nevertheless, fans and the media overreact to and over-analyze each and every play in each and every game. The players fumble balls or the quarterback throws a few picks and all of the sudden the coaches go from Godsends to incompetents and the players go from studs to duds.

The fact is that this team is going to lose and win games....all with the same coaching staff, schemes, players, and jock straps. The bottom line is that this team is neither horrible nor spectacular. It is a slightly above average team that has a very good chance of making the playoffs. Could they screw it up? Sure. As they say, "On any given Sunday."

i think you about covered it all and i commend your efforts...
in this era of free agency it much harder to keep eveyone happy and keep them together for long periods of time ,aka the 80,thru early 90,s like you used too and that where joe gibbs excelled at.so we will win/lose games i just hope we win more than we lose and win the ones against dallas and i,m thrilled to death..
the media and fans do tend to get a little carried away.. great post.

[JWsleep]

I'm with you, Sheriff. People gotta get on an even keel. What do you think 9-7 looks like? We're gonna lose some, gonna win some. Look good some days, look weak the next. The pats game really knocked people for a loop, and I understand that, but people gotta get some perspective here!

(And if we slap the Jets, it won't mean we're great. It's week to week "up here.")

[Daseal]

washingtonpost.com is the link to the article.

The guy makes great points in his article. While for the most part I've been happy with Gibbs with the personnel he's gone after, his coaching has left a lot to be lacking. I feel like even 4 years in he doesn't understand clock management, is consistently letting opponents back in the game after every half, and seems like a mediocre coach in the NFL now days. Gibbs has had four years to turn this team around, and thanks to Clinton Portis running like a madman and our defense just being incrediable in 2005 we made the playoffs.

I would have been happy to see Gibbs gone last year, but every game that passes I'm getting more and more used to the idea of a new head coach in DC. If he wants to stay on for personnel decision, fine. But I'm ready for the Greg Williams era to begin.

I think those of you that know me realize this isn't some knee jerk reaction to the pats game. I think that was shocking of just how far we have to go, but still.

[Sheriff Gonna Getcha]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think those of you that know me realize this isn't some knee jerk reaction to the pats game. I think that was shocking of just how far we have to go, but still.

I know where you are coming from Daseal and I hope you don't think my post was directed at you. I'm frustrated with many of the things the coaches are doing and how many of the players are playing. But, I don't think one has to believe that we are s**t in order to recognize flaws. I don't know about you, but given the injuries to the O-line, JC's inexperience, etc., I don't expect perfection. This team leaves a lot to be desired, but it also leaves us with a lot to be happy with.

We're 4-3 and should be 5-3 after this Sunday. After suffering through years and years of losses, I'm very happy with the overall state of the team if we end up 5-3. That doesn't mean I don't have my complaints, it just means that overall, I'm happy.

I guess for people who each offseason think we are Super Bowl bound, there is going to be a rude awakening when this team isn't 13-3. I guess some people haven't realized that the hype that accompanies this team each offseason doesn't mean squat during the regular season. But, for those of us who are used to the losing seasons and do their best to ignore the offseason hype, 5-3 is cause for celebration and not consternation.

[Dlyne8r]

Originally Posted by Daseal

washingtonpost.com - nation, world, technology and Washington area news and headlines is the link to the article.

The guy makes great points in his article. While for the most part I've been happy with Gibbs with the personnel he's gone after, his coaching has left a lot to be lacking. I feel like even 4 years in he doesn't understand clock management, is consistently letting opponents back in the game after every half, and seems like a mediocre coach in the NFL now days. Gibbs has had four years to turn this team around, and thanks to Clinton Portis running like a madman and our defense just being incrediable in 2005 we made the playoffs.

I would have been happy to see Gibbs gone last year, but every game that passes I'm getting more and more used to the idea of a new head coach in DC. If he wants to stay on for personnel decision, fine. But I'm ready for the Greg Williams era to begin.

I think those of you that know me realize this isn't some knee jerk reaction to the pats game. I think that was shocking of just how far we have to go, but still.

While I agree with some of your post ("I feel like even 4 years in he doesn't understand clock management, is consistently letting opponents back in the game after every half, and seems like a mediocre coach in the NFL now days"), I'm not sold on Gregg Williams becomming our "next" savior. Granted the Buffalo Bills were a completely different organization than the 'Skins, I wonder how Williams would approach the offensive side of things. Would he keep Al Saunders or get someone new? Again, this would be yet another re-building of the team and how many times have we gone through that process already? I'm sad to say that I do agree with you that if coach Joe doesn't right the ship after this season, changes must be made at the top starting with the head coach we have all come to admire.

[Longtimefan]

What Shapiro is saying in the article has been discussed so many times by so many people it's almost unreal. Regardless of how one may feel personally about the points he mentioned, this topic has found the lips of many fans for the last couple years. True, factual, or indifferent, it's up to Gibbs to make the rhetoric go away.

[htownskinfan]

all his points were right on target,he's saying what 90 percent of us have been saying already,except of course the members of the kool-aid club:FIREdevil:cheeky-sm