Toyota loses ground in reliability report; Ford models make impressive showings

[MTK]

A bit of a shocker for Toyota, and good news for Ford.

Link: CONSUMER REPORTS ANNUAL REVIEW: Toyota loses ground in reliability report; Ford models make impressive showings

Toyota Motor Corp.'s quality reputation got dinged in the latest Consumer Reports survey of new-vehicle buyers, as glitches in new models pushed the company from the top of the magazine's rankings and canceled the automatic "recommended" rating bestowed on new Toyota, Scion and Lexus models.

[Schneed10]

Nice link Matty. Honda and Toyota still rank the highest, but it's interesting to see the American makes starting to catch up.

[saden1]

Nice...It's definitely a good thing when there is competition.


Speaking of Ford, I was at a party this past weekend at the house of Allen Mullally's daughter (Ford's CEO) and she was banging. Anywho, as I was waiting for the bathroom to open up I said "she is hot" to this guy waiting in line next to me. He didn't say one thing and he put on a smirk. For the rest of the night the SOB was everywhere I was and where I wanted to be was next to Mullally's daughter chatting her up. Talk about the perfect buzz killer...I head after the party she had a boyfriend and I'm thinking he might have been her boyfriend.

[Monkeydad]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Nice link Matty. Honda and Toyota still rank the highest, but it's interesting to see the American makes starting to catch up.

This has been a trend over the past few years that has been mostly ignored. Ford and GM have closed the gap and are as reliable if not more with some models as their Japanese competitors. Chrysler has not made as significant progress, but they now offer a lifetime powertrain warranty that INCLUDES their achilles heel, their transmissions. Toyota and Honda have been slipping, so their reliability does not outweigh their ugliness anymore, plus they cost significantly more to repair.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Buster

...plus they cost significantly more to repair.

100% false

Subaru is expensive, as are the Germans. But Toyota and Honda are about equal to Detroit when it comes to parts.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Buster

This has been a trend over the past few years that has been mostly ignored. Ford and GM have closed the gap and are as reliable if not more with some models as their Japanese competitors. Chrysler has not made as significant progress, but they now offer a lifetime powertrain warranty that INCLUDES their achilles heel, their transmissions. Toyota and Honda have been slipping, so their reliability does not outweigh their ugliness anymore, plus they cost significantly more to repair.

Honda has not been slipping, read the article. They own the top spot this year according to Consumer Reports. Their luxury line, Acura, is 2nd.

1-2. Definitely not slipping.

Toyota did slip. Ford gained. But Toyota only went from 1st to 5th. Ford is still listed below Toyota. If the trend continues, then Ford will be a more reliable car. But improvement should not be confused for "better than Toyota."

If Ford were better than Toyota, it would rank higher on the list. It does not. We'll see how each company responds over the next year.

[cpayne5]

More evidence for what I said here...
http://www.redskinswarpath.com/359572-post27.html

[EternalEnigma21]

speaking only from experience, Hyundai is actually making a far better car than the perception as well.

[EternalEnigma21]

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[Daseal]

I think it's funny how we define "American" now. GM / Ford make nearly all their vehicles in Mexico. Toyota makes more cars in the United States than any other company.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by Daseal

I think it's funny how we define "American" now. GM / Ford make nearly all their vehicles in Mexico. Toyota makes more cars in the United States than any other company.

Not quite.

In millions of vehicles produced in the USA out of total produced by company:
Toyota - 1.3 of 8.0
GM - 3.0 of 8.9
Ford - 2.4 of 6.3
Chrysler - 1.5 of 2.5
Honda - .98 of 3.7

[drew54]

Originally Posted by cpayne5

Not quite.

In millions of vehicles produced in the USA out of total produced by company:
Toyota - 1.3 of 8.0
GM - 3.0 of 8.9
Ford - 2.4 of 6.3
Chrysler - 1.5 of 2.5
Honda - .98 of 3.7

Looks like Chrysler is the most American brand out there.

Do you have a link to this, I would like to shove it in my Toyota driving sister's face. She bought a Yoda because she thought it was more American because the dealer told her about a plant in Indiana.

[hooskins]

This won't help Buster and his raging Ford hard-on.

[cpayne5]

Originally Posted by drew54

Looks like Chrysler is the most American brand out there.

Do you have a link to this, I would like to shove it in my Toyota driving sister's face. She bought a Yoda because she thought it was more American because the dealer told her about a plant in Indiana.

The VIN is the easiest place to look to see where a car was made. The first digit in the VIN tells you where the vehicle was "put together":
J - Japan
1 or 4 - USA
2 - Canada
3 - Mexico

SAE has specified a lot more than this, but her car should be one of those.

[Daseal]

I heard incorrectly, boo to you and your "stats".