Defensive line still a major issue

[chrisl4064]

donovan had all day unless we were sending blitzing. i was pissed the entire game at that. every time there was a sack or any pressure at all i would see landry or rocky or washington in there. same thing with the dolphins game. i honestly think this may hurt us in the long run. i mean seriously was anyone else not screaming at the TV when Donovan would drop back and just casually look around for an open guy? good thing he sucks and our corners stepped up this week.

i know its too late to do anything about now, but we have to fix this in the offseason. and what the hell kind of tackle was that when evans hit westbrook before he took off for a 30 yard gain, disgusting.

[Drift Reality]

Dude, we won the game.

We all know they could use a big-time pass rusher and hopefully they address next year. I don't see the point in griping about this right now.

[12thMan]

Both Carter and Marcus Washington had sacks from the DE positions. And Rocky had a sack. That;s good to me.

[mlmpetert]

Originally Posted by 12thMan

Both Carter and Marcus Washington had sacks from the DE positions. And Rocky had a sack. That;s good to me.

McIntosh, Landry boost Redskins' defense - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

We have more then a 1/4 of the amount of sacks we had all last season. If our secondary can keep playing like they did in phily hopefully our line will come togather. Its still real early in the season.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by mlmpetert

McIntosh, Landry boost Redskins' defense - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

We have more then a 1/4 of the amount of sacks we had all last season. If our secondary can keep playing like they did in phily hopefully our line will come togather. Its still real early in the season.

again.... im not talking about our linebackers and safeties. im talking about the front four on a four man rush getting bitched everytime.

and yes, hopefully our secondary plays very well, because honestly if we go into new england with no pressure its over, brady will eat us apart. i would like to see these guys step it up.

[Paintrain]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

again.... im not talking about our linebackers and safeties. im talking about the front four on a four man rush getting bitched everytime.

and yes, hopefully our secondary plays very well, because honestly if we go into new england with no pressure its over, brady will eat us apart. i would like to see these guys step it up.

Honestly, Brady is going to pretty much pick anyone apart.. Relax and enjoy 2-0

[Cowell]

I honestly don't think that our front 4 can get any pressure on there own. I think we need to bring a linebacker and when we can a safety to really get at the QB.

[dblanch66]

"brady will eat us apart. " what exactly does that mean?

[holcknowsbest]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

again.... im not talking about our linebackers and safeties. im talking about the front four on a four man rush getting bitched everytime.

and yes, hopefully our secondary plays very well, because honestly if we go into new england with no pressure its over, brady will eat us apart. i would like to see these guys step it up.

i think your football knowledge is stuggling. anyone who agees with you is struggling also. a four man rush hardly ever wins, ever. lets run down some teams that blitz consistently....Pitt, New England, San Diego, Philly, Ravens.....all these teams rarely rely on thier front four to get sacks, they are known as blitzing teams. front 4 pressure is overrated. creativity in the blitz game is what gets the pressure on the qb. the teams i mentioned before are tradition power houses on defense. i am not saying front 4 means nothing but i bet if you asked any good defensive coordinator if the front 4s main goal is to stop the run or rush? almost all would say they would rather stop the run with the front 4. i am sick of this argument about how we dont get pressure with our front 4, almost nobody does. the good teams rely on the blitz to do this. i am not much on stats but the stats prove it...to be honest, would our defense be any better with dwight freeny there instead of andre carter? because last year freeny only had 5.5 sacks. carter 6. this argument gets deeper but this post is already too long.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by holcknowsbest

i think your football knowledge is stuggling. anyone who agees with you is struggling also. a four man rush hardly ever wins, ever. lets run down some teams that blitz consistently....Pitt, New England, San Diego, Philly, Ravens.....all these teams rarely rely on thier front four to get sacks, they are known as blitzing teams. front 4 pressure is overrated. creativity in the blitz game is what gets the pressure on the qb. the teams i mentioned before are tradition power houses on defense. i am not saying front 4 means nothing but i bet if you asked any good defensive coordinator if the front 4s main goal is to stop the run or rush? almost all would say they would rather stop the run with the front 4. i am sick of this argument about how we dont get pressure with our front 4, almost nobody does. the good teams rely on the blitz to do this. i am not much on stats but the stats prove it...to be honest, would our defense be any better with dwight freeny there instead of andre carter? because last year freeny only had 5.5 sacks. carter 6. this argument gets deeper but this post is already too long.

Bringing extra guys is also how big plays in the passing game happen. That's why most teams send only 4 a majority of the time, and generally expect to get pressure. That's pretty elementary.

Pass pressure is just a big give-take conundrum. If you are stronger in the secondary, you blitz more to make the QB throw sooner and rely on the secondary to do their jobs. If your DL is stronger, you blitz less and allow the backers and safeties to help the corners.

[Schneed10]

Well I certainly am not opposed to us going after a stud pass rusher in the offseason, if we can get our hands on one. But to call the defensive line's play a major issue is flat out incorrect.

I remember seeing Carter coming around the edge, forcing Donovan to evade him as Griffin pushed his way into the backfield, wrapping him up and taking him down.

I saw several other instances in which Carter was coming around the edge and Donovan threw the ball just before Carter made contact. McNabb's throws were way off in most of those cases. Some blame it on the knee, and maybe that's true, but you could tell he could not set his feet and get comfortable in the pocket.

Sacks aren't the only measure of defensive line play. Pressure itself makes a big impact on the game.

Now, when McNabb started to get rolling at the end of the second half, he was getting the ball out quickly because GW had the corners back off and leave a cushion to prevent any huge plays. The line didn't have time to get to McNabb before the ball came out.

I thought they did well the other night.

[Crazyhorse1]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Well I certainly am not opposed to us going after a stud pass rusher in the offseason, if we can get our hands on one. But to call the defensive line's play a major issue is flat out incorrect.

I remember seeing Carter coming around the edge, forcing Donovan to evade him as Griffin pushed his way into the backfield, wrapping him up and taking him down.

I saw several other instances in which Carter was coming around the edge and Donovan threw the ball just before Carter made contact. McNabb's throws were way off in most of those cases. Some blame it on the knee, and maybe that's true, but you could tell he could not set his feet and get comfortable in the pocket.

Sacks aren't the only measure of defensive line play. Pressure itself makes a big impact on the game.

Now, when McNabb started to get rolling at the end of the second half, he was getting the ball out quickly because GW had the corners back off and leave a cushion to prevent any huge plays. The line didn't have time to get to McNabb before the ball came out.

I thought they did well the other night.

I think our DL is average at best. I'd like to see some experimenting there with Wilson and even Golston in certain situations. Nothing to lose, in my opinion. I think Daniels is through and his backup can't rush or play the run to an acceptable degree. That position is going to cost us down the road if we can't come up with something. We can't afford to have our CB's give so much room to receivers, which we have to do when the rush from linemen is poor.

[jamf]

We definitely need more pressure from the front four. We won't have a top 5 defense till those guys can cause some problems.
I think our line play is directly related to lack of turnovers.

[Paintrain]

When we were using a 4 man rush for most of the game and sitting back in shell coverage we're not going to generate a ton of pressure. Also you don't bring tons of pressure against mobile QBs because if they break contain they're going to run for a long time.. Since Ellie Mae doesn't like pressure in his face, I'd expect to see Grilliams release the hounds more this week.

We generated sufficient pressure to keep them out of the end zone and the win column, I'm happy enough with that.

[wilsowilso]

I'm sorry but Andre Carter needs to learn a few moves. I'm not complaining about out DLine except for him and he has still played pretty good. I just think that speed rush to the outside ten yards past the quarterback is useless. Try a drop step or cutback.