How to Steal 3 Points from the Eagles

[brent]

Call Timeout right at the snap of any FG attempt in the first half > 40 yards. That's a cheap use of a Time Out for the first half to gain 3 points and field position.

Every team in the NFL should do this until the NFL puts a stop to the nonsense.

[wilsowilso]

That is the worst rule. It makes no sense at all. I hate it.

[brent]

Of course it is. Its legalized cheating. Still, we should do it. This game is bigger than big, we **MUST** win this one. Dial up another week 2 Miracle Monday Joe!

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Whoa, whoa, whoa. Que?

Need explanation...

[chrisl4064]

if i was the coach for the raiders yesterday i would not have walked across the field and shook hands with the other coach. i think thats a bs rule and even though it is leagal, its still disrespectful from a coaching standpoint. maybe im a little overeacting..... but damn if i was a raiders fan after all the crap they deal with....

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by chrisl4064

if i was the coach for the raiders yesterday i would not have walked across the field and shook hands with the other coach. i think thats a bs rule and even though it is leagal, its still disrespectful from a coaching standpoint. maybe im a little overeacting..... but damn if i was a raiders fan after all the crap they deal with....

If that was Gibbs would you still have the same feeling. I don't have a problem with Icing the kicker but the rule should not allow you to wait until right before the snap to Ice the kicker. Its a rule and the coach used it to his advantage so I do not have a problem with it.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If that was Gibbs would you still have the same feeling. I don't have a problem with Icing the kicker but the rule should not allow you to wait until right before the snap to Ice the kicker. Its a rule and the coach used it to his advantage so I do not have a problem with it.

true, i guess im just looking at it from a fans view. the raiders are always getting screwed like this, well that and they suck but still. it was a division game and could have been a good win for them.

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If that was Gibbs would you still have the same feeling. I don't have a problem with Icing the kicker but the rule should not allow you to wait until right before the snap to Ice the kicker. Its a rule and the coach used it to his advantage so I do not have a problem with it.

I agree, but I'm not the least bit surprised that it was Shanahan that did it. Questionable tactics are a regular part of his coaching strategy.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Southpaw

I agree, but I'm not the least bit surprised that it was Shanahan that did it. Questionable tactics are a regular part of his coaching strategy.

What was questionable about an allowed timeout which he took and gave his team the victory. He was under the rules which the NFL has established for all teams so he did what he was hired to do.

[chrisl4064]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What was questionable about an allowed timeout which he took and gave his team the victory. He was under the rules which the NFL has established for all teams so he did what he was hired to do.

right, its understood that the rule is legal, however its cheap. funny how it panned out yesteday, i told a friend janikowski was gonna blow it right before the kick, didnt think i was right at first but then......

[Southpaw]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What was questionable about an allowed timeout which he took and gave his team the victory. He was under the rules which the NFL has established for all teams so he did what he was hired to do.

It's questionable because everyone is questioning the legitimacy of the rule, due to that one play and it could very well lead to a rule change.

[The Zimmermans]

Originally Posted by firstdown

What was questionable about an allowed timeout which he took and gave his team the victory. He was under the rules which the NFL has established for all teams so he did what he was hired to do.

So HGH is ok because it doesnt get tested for......and dogfighting is ok cause it's a cultural thing. It's called morals and fair play...which the redskins always play by.

[GTripp0012]

Originally Posted by firstdown

If that was Gibbs would you still have the same feeling. I don't have a problem with Icing the kicker but the rule should not allow you to wait until right before the snap to Ice the kicker. Its a rule and the coach used it to his advantage so I do not have a problem with it.

But you see this is the whole point of the argument. Gibbs is not an sh*thead, and would not do something like this.

For those of you who didn't see the game, what Shanahan did was specifically wait until the ball was snapped to take a timeout specifically to delay the inevitable. I don't believe for a second that he gained any competitive advantage from this move, but the idea was to look be a complete jackass.

This was not icing the kicker because the teams were set for like ten seconds before the snap was taken. I don't believe icing the kicker does anything anyway, but those who believe it can be used to make the kicker think about his kick will take it as soon as the teams are set. Obviously, if Shanahan believed in icing the kicker, he would have taken his timeout sooned than he did.

Anyway, this was the last straw in watching the game for me, because I had just spent the past 3 hours watching him bitch, whine, and abuse the challenge policy (challenging the spot of a safety? what the f?!).

Ultimately, the officials have to shoulder the responsibility for the outcome of this game because the rules are clear on how timeout requests are allowed to be granted. Just because John Lynch walks on to the field at the snap to call a timeout does not mean they shouldn't get 12 men called on them. Have some balls and tell old Mike where to stick it. Don't allow his desire to make a grade-A ***hole of himself in front of Al Davis change the outcome of a game.

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by GTripp0012

But you see this is the whole point of the argument. Gibbs is not an sh*thead, and would not do something like this.

For those of you who didn't see the game, what Shanahan did was specifically wait until the ball was snapped to take a timeout specifically to delay the inevitable. I don't believe for a second that he gained any competitive advantage from this move, but the idea was to look be a complete jackass.

This was not icing the kicker because the teams were set for like ten seconds before the snap was taken. I don't believe icing the kicker does anything anyway, but those who believe it can be used to make the kicker think about his kick will take it as soon as the teams are set. Obviously, if Shanahan believed in icing the kicker, he would have taken his timeout sooned than he did.

Anyway, this was the last straw in watching the game for me, because I had just spent the past 3 hours watching him bitch, whine, and abuse the challenge policy (challenging the spot of a safety? what the f?!).

Ultimately, the officials have to shoulder the responsibility for the outcome of this game because the rules are clear on how timeout requests are allowed to be granted. Just because John Lynch walks on to the field at the snap to call a timeout does not mean they shouldn't get 12 men called on them. Have some balls and tell old Mike where to stick it. Don't allow his desire to make a grade-A ***hole of himself in front of Al Davis change the outcome of a game.

So I see your a fan Shanahan!!

[BigSKINBauer]

well if they missed the first one and then made the second...