Joe Gibbs coaching tree?

Clutch · 08-07-2007, 06:56 PM

I'm a George Allen fan, but also respect and admire Joe Gibbs. One thing that I've noticed is that most of the great head coaches have had assistant coaches who have gone on to become great head coaches in their own right.

In addition to Joe Bugel, who are the other branches of the Joe Gibbs coaching tree? I know that Joe Gibbs himself was the star pupil of Don Coryell's brilliant offensive-minded football school.

SmootSmack · 08-07-2007, 07:14 PM

Well, Richie Petitbone I suppose.

But his "coaching tree" as it were I think is more so comprised of former players who have gone to serve as head coaches or coordinators. I'm talking about guys like Ken Whisenhunt, Russ Grimm, Mike Tice, Greg Manusky. And then you have position coaches like Vernon Dean and Ernest Byner.

I used to think that was the biggest knock on his legacy, that he doesn't have a strong coaching tree a la Bill Walsh. But last week, while reflecting upon Walsh's death, I thought maybe the fact that he doesn't have that strong tree is Gibbs's strength. His ability to adapt so well to the structure of his team-3 wide aerial attack or heavy jumbo, scrambling 6 ft. QB or statuesque 6'3" guy with a rocket arm, and so on-are hard to duplicate and a testament to his success as a coach.

Skinsfan1967 · 08-07-2007, 09:21 PM

[QUOTE=SmootSmack;337321]Well, Richie Petitbone I suppose.

But his "coaching tree" as it were I think is more so comprised of former players who have gone to serve as head coaches or coordinators. I'm talking about guys like Ken Whisenhunt, Russ Grimm, Mike Tice, Greg Manusky. And then you have position coaches like Vernon Dean and Ernest Byner.

Barry Wilburn is in camp as well. As shown on Comcast.

Paintrain · 07-05-2010, 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by SmootSmack

Well, Richie Petitbone I suppose.

But his "coaching tree" as it were I think is more so comprised of former players who have gone to serve as head coaches or coordinators. I'm talking about guys like Ken Whisenhunt, Russ Grimm, Mike Tice, Greg Manusky. And then you have position coaches like Vernon Dean and Ernest Byner.

I used to think that was the biggest knock on his legacy, that he doesn't have a strong coaching tree a la Bill Walsh. But last week, while reflecting upon Walsh's death, I thought maybe the fact that he doesn't have that strong tree is Gibbs's strength. His ability to adapt so well to the structure of his team-3 wide aerial attack or heavy jumbo, scrambling 6 ft. QB or statuesque 6'3" guy with a rocket arm, and so on-are hard to duplicate and a testament to his success as a coach.

Is this a common offseason pursuit SS? 'Hmm, that Bill Walsh, he sure is dead.' Sorry dude, that sentence just struck me funny. Now back to your regularly scheduled chatting.

SmootSmack · 07-05-2010, 07:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Paintrain

Is this a common offseason pursuit SS? 'Hmm, that Bill Walsh, he sure is dead.' Sorry dude, that sentence just struck me funny. Now back to your regularly scheduled chatting.

LOL. Well considering he died just a few days before I posted that, it doesn't seem so odd now does it?

GusFrerotte · 08-07-2007, 07:30 PM

Coach has a decent assistant coching tree if you will, but I doubt any of the above names will pan out as a full blown HC. Grimm has the best shot to be a HC, but the others probably are assistants forever.

GTripp0012 · 08-07-2007, 11:30 PM

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Originally Posted by GusFrerotte

Coach has a decent assistant coching tree if you will, but I doubt any of the above names will pan out as a full blown HC. Grimm has the best shot to be a HC, but the others probably are assistants forever.

Whisenhunt is a HC as we speak.

dmek25 · 08-07-2007, 08:33 PM

its kind of funny that this is a thread. i was just thinking about this. it might be that Gibbs doesn't want strong personalities on his coaching staff, to avoid any conflict. kind of his way or the highway type. and maybe adding Saunders is his way to adapt to the new NFL

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 08-07-2007, 10:44 PM

i think walsh's tree is amazing. Gibbs unfortually not so amazing.

Clutch · 08-07-2007, 11:12 PM

George Allen's coaching tree includes Super Bowl winner Dick Vermeil and fellow Pro Football Hall of Famer Marv Levy.

holcknowsbest · 08-07-2007, 11:25 PM

no great head coaches, some of the best assistant coaches though, dan henning was another awesome assistant coach. but really you dont have to have a great coaching tree, those are for inevators. i wouldnt call gibbs that even though he pretty much created the one back system. but as far as a head coaching tree his guys have never really been good....still hes the best damn coach man, i am sick of these players taking what hes done for them for granted, they need to win for this guy he deserves that shit.

CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR · 08-07-2007, 11:48 PM

holchknowsbest your right the players need to man up for gibbs. but Gibbs cant alway give into there demands. These players dont deserve any breaks. Gibbs should work these guys harder. Stop this crap of them working out on their own. The skins are paying these bozos good money(mostly overpaid) there no reason why they cant work out at redskins park.

Luxorreb · 08-08-2007, 05:28 AM

They're all at Redskins Park now. Let's keep this thread on topic. More about Gibbs coaching tree...

firstdown · 08-08-2007, 10:55 AM

Last week on the Riggo show he was talking about Walsh and how people call him a master mind of the game (I think that was the term or something like that) and how they just call Gribbs a great coach. He then started given out stats of the two coaches careers and how Gibbs numbers are better in just about every category. He was not knocking Walshes great career but only asking why Gibbs is only considered great and Walsh a master mind.

SC Skins Fan · 08-08-2007, 12:59 PM

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Originally Posted by firstdown

Last week on the Riggo show he was talking about Walsh and how people call him a master mind of the game (I think that was the term or something like that) and how they just call Gribbs a great coach. He then started given out stats of the two coaches careers and how Gibbs numbers are better in just about every category. He was not knocking Walshes great career but only asking why Gibbs is only considered great and Walsh a master mind.

It is because of the "West Coast Offense" that is discussed ad nausem, the iconic teams, and even more because of the iconic players (esp. Montana and Rice), which Gibbs teams did not have. I will point out, however, that Gibbs is in the Hall of Fame so I'm not sure he is slighted too much. His lustered is tarnished most, I'd say, by the 21-27 record he has since coming back. Hopefully the team can help rectify that this season.

08-07-2007, 06:56 PM	#1
Clutch Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 22	Joe Gibbs coaching tree? I'm a George Allen fan, but also respect and admire Joe Gibbs. One thing that I've noticed is that most of the great head coaches have had assistant coaches who have gone on to become great head coaches in their own right. In addition to Joe Bugel, who are the other branches of the Joe Gibbs coaching tree? I know that Joe Gibbs himself was the star pupil of Don Coryell's brilliant offensive-minded football school.

08-07-2007, 07:14 PM	#2
SmootSmack Uncle Phil Join Date: Feb 2004 Posts: 45,256	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? Well, Richie Petitbone I suppose. But his "coaching tree" as it were I think is more so comprised of former players who have gone to serve as head coaches or coordinators. I'm talking about guys like Ken Whisenhunt, Russ Grimm, Mike Tice, Greg Manusky. And then you have position coaches like Vernon Dean and Ernest Byner. I used to think that was the biggest knock on his legacy, that he doesn't have a strong coaching tree a la Bill Walsh. But last week, while reflecting upon Walsh's death, I thought maybe the fact that he doesn't have that strong tree is Gibbs's strength. His ability to adapt so well to the structure of his team-3 wide aerial attack or heavy jumbo, scrambling 6 ft. QB or statuesque 6'3" guy with a rocket arm, and so on-are hard to duplicate and a testament to his success as a coach. __________________ You're So Vain...You Probably Think This Sig Is About You

08-07-2007, 09:21 PM	#3
Skinsfan1967 Special Teams Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Frederick, Maryland Age: 57 Posts: 254	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? [QUOTE=SmootSmack;337321]Well, Richie Petitbone I suppose. But his "coaching tree" as it were I think is more so comprised of former players who have gone to serve as head coaches or coordinators. I'm talking about guys like Ken Whisenhunt, Russ Grimm, Mike Tice, Greg Manusky. And then you have position coaches like Vernon Dean and Ernest Byner. Barry Wilburn is in camp as well. As shown on Comcast. __________________ Yellow41 on Redskinsheads

08-07-2007, 07:30 PM	#6
GusFrerotte Registered User Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Detroit area Posts: 4,153	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? Coach has a decent assistant coching tree if you will, but I doubt any of the above names will pan out as a full blown HC. Grimm has the best shot to be a HC, but the others probably are assistants forever.

08-07-2007, 08:33 PM	#8
dmek25 MVP Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: lancaster,pa Age: 63 Posts: 10,672	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? its kind of funny that this is a thread. i was just thinking about this. it might be that Gibbs doesn't want strong personalities on his coaching staff, to avoid any conflict. kind of his way or the highway type. and maybe adding Saunders is his way to adapt to the new NFL __________________ "It's better to be quiet and thought a fool than to open ones mouth and remove all doubt." courtesy of 53fan

08-07-2007, 10:44 PM	#9
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 57 Posts: 890	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? i think walsh's tree is amazing. Gibbs unfortually not so amazing.

08-07-2007, 11:12 PM	#10
Clutch Camp Scrub Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 22	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? George Allen's coaching tree includes Super Bowl winner Dick Vermeil and fellow Pro Football Hall of Famer Marv Levy.

08-07-2007, 11:25 PM	#11
holcknowsbest Special Teams Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 240	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? no great head coaches, some of the best assistant coaches though, dan henning was another awesome assistant coach. but really you dont have to have a great coaching tree, those are for inevators. i wouldnt call gibbs that even though he pretty much created the one back system. but as far as a head coaching tree his guys have never really been good....still hes the best damn coach man, i am sick of these players taking what hes done for them for granted, they need to win for this guy he deserves that shit. __________________ An outstanding dad, brother, son, friend, teamate, and football player. Sean Taylor...could not respect a guy more, thank you

08-07-2007, 11:48 PM	#12
CHIEF CHUCKING MY SPEAR Impact Rookie Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: va Age: 57 Posts: 890	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? holchknowsbest your right the players need to man up for gibbs. but Gibbs cant alway give into there demands. These players dont deserve any breaks. Gibbs should work these guys harder. Stop this crap of them working out on their own. The skins are paying these bozos good money(mostly overpaid) there no reason why they cant work out at redskins park.

08-08-2007, 05:28 AM	#13
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08-08-2007, 10:55 AM	#14
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Joe Gibbs coaching tree? Last week on the Riggo show he was talking about Walsh and how people call him a master mind of the game (I think that was the term or something like that) and how they just call Gribbs a great coach. He then started given out stats of the two coaches careers and how Gibbs numbers are better in just about every category. He was not knocking Walshes great career but only asking why Gibbs is only considered great and Walsh a master mind.

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