Steve Czban on Art Monk

[redskins5044]

today at work i was listening to his show on fox sports radio and he had adam sheifter from the nfl network who used to a hall of fame voter. he was the one that said on nfl network that art monk has never had a signature catch thats one reason he hasnt been voted in the hall. also stated that he only was voted to 3 pro bowls and only led the skins in catches in 4 of his 16 seasons. this got czban all fired up and led to him asking adam what was irvins signature catch all he could say was he caught TD in the super bowl v.s. the bills. czban responded with well monk caught a TD in the super bowl. i am so sick of the BS revovling about monk not getting in the Hall of fame. when it comes down to it we all know he is a hall of famer and made catches for first downs to keep drives alive to win ball games. sometimes i find it hard to listen to czban especially on the comcast post game show but doesnt sugar coat things and tells u what he thinks.

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

Originally Posted by redskins5044

today at work i was listening to his show on fox sports radio and he had adam sheifter from the nfl network who used to a hall of fame voter. he was the one that said on nfl network that art monk has never had a signature catch thats one reason he hasnt been voted in the hall. also stated that he only was voted to 3 pro bowls and only led the skins in catches in 4 of his 16 seasons. this got czban all fired up and led to him asking adam what was irvins signature catch all he could say was he caught TD in the super bowl v.s. the bills. czban responded with well monk caught a TD in the super bowl. i am so sick of the BS revovling about monk not getting in the Hall of fame. when it comes down to it we all know he is a hall of famer and made catches for first downs to keep drives alive to win ball games. sometimes i find it hard to listen to czban especially on the comcast post game show but doesnt sugar coat things and tells u what he thinks.

Amen! Monk and Tagliabue got boned by the HOF voters. I try not to think about it too much. Any group of people who vote "White Lines" in before Art Friggin Monk have GOT to be outside their minds.

[SouperMeister]

I'm a big Czaban fan, because he's not afraid to take a stance. I too heard the Schefter interview, and loved it when Czabe challenged him on Irvin's "signature catch". Citing a "signature catch" has to be among the most ridiculous criteria ever brought up in HOF debates. Applying that to a player from today, what is Marvin Harrison's signature catch?

Czabe did make one mistake in his argument - Monk's only Super Bowl TD (opening drive against Buffalo) was correctly reversed by instant replay (Monk's 2nd foot barely touched the back line. That said, Monk caught 4 passes for about 75 yards on that opening drive - I'd call that a pretty good series of signature plays on the game's biggest stage. We need Wilbon to get off his ass on Monk's behalf, because Lenny Shapiro clearly hasn't argued passionately/convincingly enough during the HOF selection process.

[davy]

Originally Posted by SouperMeister

Czabe did make one mistake in his argument - Monk's only Super Bowl TD (opening drive against Buffalo) was correctly reversed by instant replay (Monk's 2nd foot barely touched the back line.

I've got to pull you up about this. Art Monk's TD against the Bills should not have been reversed. Watch the game again and you will see that after his first foot comes down in bounds the heel of his second foot also comes down in bounds and at that point it is a TD regardless of where his toes came down moments later. How many times have you seen receivers come down with their toes in bounds before their heels come down out of bounds? Nobody questions those TDs.

Bit of a crusade for me this, I've been trying to convince people of this ever since the game.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by davy

I've got to pull you up about this. Art Monk's TD against the Bills should not have been reversed. Watch the game again and you will see that after his first foot comes down in bounds the heel of his second foot also comes down in bounds and at that point it is a TD regardless of where his toes came down moments later. How many times have you seen receivers come down with their toes in bounds before their heels come down out of bounds? Nobody questions those TDs.

Bit of a crusade for me this, I've been trying to convince people of this ever since the game.

Doesn't matter. The reversal was correct. Both feet have to be in bounds.

[davy]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Doesn't matter. The reversal was correct. Both feet have to be in bounds.

Did you actually read my post?

[GoSkins!]

Originally Posted by davy

Did you actually read my post?

I went back and watched the replay (I have a DVD of the game). He was out, but the whole drive belonged to him. I'm sure that if he had Montana, Aikman, or Brady throwing to him he would have had plenty of TD catches... but that was not his job. His job was to move the chains.

He wore down defenses by moving the chains, the same way running backs do. Having Art Monk meant that the offense could keep the ball. Keeping the ball meant that they always had the advantage at the end of the game. This advantage led to more wins.

I'm sick of the guys looking for the showboats who make a couple of sexy catches.

Football isn't supposed to be sexy.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by davy

Did you actually read my post?

Yes, I did and you're wrong. It was a correct call. Both FEET have to be in bounds. Last time I checked, the toes are attached to the feet. Therefore, the heel and the toes along with everything in between must be in bounds for a completion.

[Beemnseven]

What is Art Monk's signature catch?

Which of Art Monk's receptions sticks out most in your mind?

[JGisLordOfTheRings]

I want alive for it but I remember watching it 1000 times. NFC Championship game, might not have championship game, against Dallas 72' I think....

"Joe Theisman straight drop, he's got ARt monk open, at the 5! TD washington redskins."

Damn, why couldnt I have been born earlier....

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by JGisLordOfTheRings

I want alive for it but I remember watching it 1000 times. NFC Championship game, might not have championship game, against Dallas 72' I think....

"Joe Theisman straight drop, he's got ARt monk open, at the 5! TD washington redskins."

Damn, why couldnt I have been born earlier....

Not to muddy the waters when it comes to Monk but I am pretty sure that he was hurt in the NFC Championship game vs. Dallas (and during all of the playoffs that year).

I find this signature catch criteria amusing. First of all, for all of the "old timers" (many of whom have stats no where near Monk's) what is their signature catch? Most don't have one, you know why, because barely anyone saw them play.

I have said it before but in my eyes the proof that the Hall process is complete BS is the fact that Stallworth and Swann are in and Monk isn't. Their stats are mediocre at best compared to Monk's. Of course to get them in the voters said things like, "they were on the most dominant team of their era" and "they won four championships". Well, Monk won 3 and was on the second most dominant team of his era. You can't tell me that only winning 3 instead of 4 is a good reason to exclude a player from the hall.

[Beemnseven]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

I find this signature catch criteria amusing. First of all, for all of the "old timers" (many of whom have stats no where near Monk's) what is their signature catch? Most don't have one, you know why, because barely anyone saw them play.

That's a good point. How old is Adam Scheffter?

I'll bet he was wearing Huggies when Monk was tearin' it up.

[Beemnseven]

Monk wasn't drafted until 1980.

[GiantsSuck703]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Monk wasn't drafted until 1980.

LOL, I think he meant 82', or atleast i hope

[Alvin#40]

Originally Posted by GiantsSuck703

LOL, I think he meant 82', or atleast i hope

He's probably thinking of Charley Taylor's AWESOME diving catch in Championship game vs Dallas in 72'. They said they only saw it on video clips and was not born yet. That must have been Taylor's "signature" catch to get him in the Hall.