Shawn Springs Placed on injured reserve, Mike Rumph Released

[Beemnseven]

Springs to IR; Rumph Released

Interesting tidbit:

"Springs' future with the team could be serving in a different role next season. Head coach Joe Gibbs indicated that he could play some safety next season. It's a position that Springs has said that he would be open to playing."

What does this say for Rumph's value now? Not being able to play on one of the NFL's worst pass defenses? Wow. Was that ever a miscalculation of a first round pick.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by Beemnseven

Springs to IR; Rumph Released

Interesting tidbit:

"Springs' future with the team could be serving in a different role next season. Head coach Joe Gibbs indicated that he could play some safety next season. It's a position that Springs has said that he would be open to playing."

What does this say for Rumph's value now? Not being able to play on one of the NFL's worst pass defenses? Wow. Was that ever a miscalculation of a first round pick.

Kudos to the members of this board who anticipated a potential Springs move to safety. It's not far fetched - GW has always liked corners and safeties to be versatile and somewhat interchangeable. After all, he moved Troy Vincent from corner to safety in Buffalo several years ago - before Vincent grew ancient.

The Warpath community, once again, proves to be the most knowledgable of all Redskin fan sites.

I think the indication that Springs could move to S increases the chances that the club gets all up on Nate Clements.

[TheMalcolmConnection]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Kudos to the members of this board who anticipated a potential Springs move to safety. It's not far fetched - GW has always liked corners and safeties to be versatile and somewhat interchangeable. After all, he moved Troy Vincent from corner to safety in Buffalo several years ago - before Vincent grew ancient.

The Warpath community, once again, proves to be the most knowledgable of all Redskin fan sites.

I think the indication that Springs could move to S increases the chances that the club gets all up on Nate Clements.

Usually I'm always wrong, but allow me to take this time to bask in the glory of being right 1% of the time.

Much like Kevin in Home Alone: Yessssssssssssssssssssssssssssss!

[dgack]

Why don't we just save ourselves a lot of time and anguish and just put Springs on the IR for next season now, while we're at it. Seriously, someone's just going to sneeze in his general vicinity next season and cause him to suffer a season-ending cerebral hemmorhage or something.

I'm going all Sam Jackson in "Unbreakable" and hereby dubbing Springs "Mr. Glass".

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dgack

Why don't we just save ourselves a lot of time and anguish and just put Springs on the IR for next season now, while we're at it. Seriously, someone's just going to sneeze in his general vicinity next season and cause him to suffer a season-ending cerebral hemmorhage or something.

I'm going all Sam Jackson in "Unbreakable" and hereby dubbing Springs "Mr. Glass".

I don't think that's being fair. Here's his games played history:

1997: 10
1998: 16
1999: 16
2000: 16
2001: 8
2002: 15
2003: 12
2004: 8
2005: 15
2006: 9

He's never missed anything more than a half a season, and those times were rare. Most of his seasons, including 2005 for us, were long and successful.

He is getting older, that's for sure. Which is why moving him to safety makes a lot of sense from a health standpoint. The groin issue cleared up this year, once they treated it properly with the surgery. And I don't see how you can call a guy "Mr. Glass" for breaking a shoulder blade. Do you know how much of a freak thing that is?

I think he's been a tough player for us, and I like him to come back strong next year and be an effective CB/S for us.

[dgack]

I'm engaging in a little hyperbole, of course, but no more than those who call Betts a fumble machine.

Just FYI, though, those numbers are not as great as you'd like to think. Over his 10-year career, he averages 12.5 games played a season. You don't have too many starting NFL corners who have that kind of injury proclivity. I just did some rudimentary sifting on Yahoo and couldn't find any "big name" CB's who have that kind of injury record. I mean, think about what you're saying here -- he's had one full season in the last 4 years. Two in the last six years (and I'm counting 15 game seasons as "full" here). If you want to get technical, he hasn't played a complete season since 2000 (!).

CB's should be among the most durable and resilient guys on your team, shouldn't they? Other than ligament tears, you just don't hear of too many injuries to corners. Certainly not all the crazy, improbable stuff that Springs seems to be a magnet for.

He's obviously very needed around here and unquestionably still has talent, but tough is not a word I would use to describe the guy.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by dgack

I'm engaging in a little hyperbole, of course, but no more than those who call Betts a fumble machine.

Just FYI, though, those numbers are not as great as you'd like to think. Over his 10-year career, he averages 12.5 games played a season. You don't have too many starting NFL corners who have that kind of injury proclivity. I just did some rudimentary sifting on Yahoo and couldn't find any "big name" CB's who have that kind of injury record. I mean, think about what you're saying here -- he's had one full season in the last 4 years. Two in the last six years (and I'm counting 15 game seasons as "full" here). If you want to get technical, he hasn't played a complete season since 2000 (!).

CB's should be among the most durable and resilient guys on your team, shouldn't they? Other than ligament tears, you just don't hear of too many injuries to corners. Certainly not all the crazy, improbable stuff that Springs seems to be a magnet for.

He's obviously very needed around here and unquestionably still has talent, but tough is not a word I would use to describe the guy.

Dude, reading your posts is like watching old people getting busy.

Are you Rexi?

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Dude, reading your posts is like watching old people getting busy.

Are you Rexi?

Yawn. Wake me up when you've got anything new.

[Pocket$ $traight]

Originally Posted by dgack

Yawn. Wake me up when you've got anything new.

Likewise.

By the way, Betts lost that game.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Likewise.

By the way, Betts lost that game.

Whatever dukes, I'm all for rational debate, but I could care less if you want to believe something different. I'm not terribly interested in trading barbs with you, so like I said, zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[firstdown]

Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Likewise.

By the way, Betts lost that game.

Your right and the D giving up 570 yards had nothing to do with it.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dgack

I'm engaging in a little hyperbole, of course, but no more than those who call Betts a fumble machine.

Just FYI, though, those numbers are not as great as you'd like to think. Over his 10-year career, he averages 12.5 games played a season. You don't have too many starting NFL corners who have that kind of injury proclivity. I just did some rudimentary sifting on Yahoo and couldn't find any "big name" CB's who have that kind of injury record. I mean, think about what you're saying here -- he's had one full season in the last 4 years. Two in the last six years (and I'm counting 15 game seasons as "full" here). If you want to get technical, he hasn't played a complete season since 2000 (!).

CB's should be among the most durable and resilient guys on your team, shouldn't they? Other than ligament tears, you just don't hear of too many injuries to corners. Certainly not all the crazy, improbable stuff that Springs seems to be a magnet for.

He's obviously very needed around here and unquestionably still has talent, but tough is not a word I would use to describe the guy.

Fair enough, he does get his share of injuries. I just take issue with those who equate Springs to the likes of Fragile Freddy Taylor. Not that you were doing so, I just wanted to throw the facts out there on Springs. I would agree, he's not the most durable guy in the world. But I wouldn't call him injury prone either.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

Fair enough, he does get his share of injuries. I just take issue with those who equate Springs to the likes of Fragile Freddy Taylor. Not that you were doing so, I just wanted to throw the facts out there on Springs. I would agree, he's not the most durable guy in the world. But I wouldn't call him injury prone either.

No doubt -- and I was thinking of Taylor when I wrote it actually -- Taylor's been labeled fragile but in the last 5 years, he's only missed 8 games. (and who would have guessed dude would have close to 1200 on the ground with a 5.0 ypc average? Crazy!)

So yeah, perception is a big part of it for sure.

[Schneed10]

Originally Posted by dgack

No doubt -- and I was thinking of Taylor when I wrote it actually -- Taylor's been labeled fragile but in the last 5 years, he's only missed 8 games. (and who would have guessed dude would have close to 1200 on the ground with a 5.0 ypc average? Crazy!)

So yeah, perception is a big part of it for sure.

I'd like to know what good perception does us if it's flat out wrong. Facts are facts. Springs isn't a fragile player.

[dgack]

Originally Posted by Schneed10

I'd like to know what good perception does us if it's flat out wrong. Facts are facts. Springs isn't a fragile player.

Umm, yeah, I thought we already covered this. You're right, the perception IS flat-out wrong: "fragile" Freddy Taylor has played in more games in the past 5 years than Shawn Springs.