Dazed And Confused!

[offiss]

Gibbs has been living in fantasy land since his return 3 years ago, he has completly lost whatever it was he had in the past, whether it's his football instinct, or what I believe and have believed all along is one Bobby Beathard. He has absolutly no clue when it comes to talent evaluation, and that not only includes who get's drafted or traded for, but who see's playing time.

Gibbs stepped into the front office as if he knew the NFL better than the NFL itself, he immediatly began the Steinbrenner building format, and that is sign people on reputation alone and what they have done in the past, rather than evaluating that player and see if he fit's in with what you want to do, and can he still do what he was once capable of doing, with no real regard for the draft, you see that is how someone who is incapable or incompetent in talent evaluation get's by on the pro level, just sign established talent, but as we can see that can become very expensive and blow up in your face in a hurry.

It is becoming very easy to see where Gibbs success came from in the 80's, it was Bobby Beathard, BB alway's had a plethara of talent on those teams, and he alway's made sure that if Gibbs made a change at a particular position there was another player waiting in the wings to succeed.

Does anyone really think that BB would have given up what we gave up for Portis? NO way! Especially with a Stephen Jackson coming out who would have been perfect for what Gibbs wanted to do on offense and that's pound the ball, do you think there was anyway that Brunell would have been brought in? No way! Every GM at the time said Brunell was no longer willing to stand in the pocket long enough to allow recievers to break free because he would no longer take a hit, do you think that if the average GM was able to make this evaluation one of the all time greats would not?

Beathard would have drafted better players for minimal contracts or standard contracts, than the players we blew out of the water with grossly overpaid contracts. After watching Carter it is very apparent that he has no first step, he is alway's late coming off the ball, he has no pass rush moves to speak of and he can't disengauge from a defender once they lock horns. AA need I say more, except this, we had a better player on our roster who wanted to stay and we couldn't see our hand in front of our face, dumped him for AA who will now spend most of his time on the sidelines. Then we can turn to Rocky another guy we just had to have and of coarse can't sniff the field. Do I even need to bring up Campbell? Funny the cowboy's had all the same problems we have and yet a simple change at QB and there off and running, and I don't want to here about our victory last week, everyone know's we were as lucky as lucky gets to win that game, we didn't take it, the Boy's gave it to us, TO's sure TD drop, a blocked fieldgoal and a facemask to boot, come on we should be 2-7 right now.

Now here's what does it for me, Gibbs utter distain to give anyone but Brunell playing time at QB, it's boarderline psychotic, we are getting blown out and he just keeps running Brunell out onto the field, 2 of the last 3 games Campbell could have played the 4th quarter and Gibbs is still running Brunell out there, I JUST DON'T GET IT? Brunell must have pictures of Gibbs with farm animals or something because there is no way he should still be on that field, so for anyone who thinks Ramsey recieved a fair shot, just take a long hard look at what Gibbs percieves as a fair shot in Brunell, I still have to laugh at how fast he yanked Ramsey as if the world was about to end, and this undieing loyalty to a QB who is absolutly horrible.

BB proved he can win without Gibbs, he built SB teams everywhere he went, Gibbs hasen't proved he can even win games without BB. Case and point BB was able to get Bobby Ross to a SB, it just goes to show you that superior talent can go a long way in the NFL. It can even make a hall of famer out of you.

As far as Williams goes, this is the first season since Gibbs arrived that Williams hasen't been able to carry his A**, which say's more about Gibbs inability to step up and carry a defense for once than Williams having an off year, yes Gibbs recieved upgrades on offense this year with proven players, Williams although thought was getting upgrades recieved downgrades which is a huge reason why we are where we are on defense. But I will lay some of the blams on what it looks like to me as a coaching slump by Williams, he has to put Rogers up tight on the reciver, this will let Rogers who is very, very physical for a corner to jam and run with the reciever, he just doesn't have the type of reactions to play in space and react to the reciever after the reciever get's some momentum going, he then has to sell out more and bring more blitz packages, I would rather give up the occasional big play than to give a QB all day to find a WR, because our front 4 will not pressure the QB, and we will die a slow death if we stay in that type of D, he need's to get back to the Buddy Ryan philosophy and that's attack, attack, attack!!!!!! If you don't get to the QB with 7 guy's then send 8 but alway's attack.

As for Joe Bugel? Well what I saw yesterday was not guy's getting beat on our line man to man, but coaching breakdowns, I don't think Bugel can catchup with these new blitzing defense as well, I know the guy is a legend here but I have to say we have no ability to run on short yardage play's, we are lucky if we can make half a yard when teams stack up against us let alone convert a third and two on the ground, it's either the coach, or the line, take your pick but that never happened in the 80's, and I keep hearing praise from the coaches about our O-line and how it is the strength of the team, so what is someone to think?

[dmek25]

somehow, i knew this would end up about brunell. the one thing people forget about bethard and gibbs was back then the skins had a shitload of talent on the roster, and tons more hidden away on injured reserve. the new rules prohibit that. plus, gibbs playcalling was alot more aggressive in his first go round. im not sure if brunells arm is strong enough to consistantly throw the ball 50 or 60 yards downfield. campbells arm strength reminds me of mark rypiens arm. very strong, and very accurate

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

Gibbs has been living in fantasy land since his return 3 years ago, he has completly lost whatever it was he had in the past, whether it's his football instinct, or what I believe and have believed all along is one Bobby Beathard. He has absolutly no clue when it comes to talent evaluation, and that not only includes who get's drafted or traded for, but who see's playing time.

Gibbs stepped into the front office as if he knew the NFL better than the NFL itself, he immediatly began the Steinbrenner building format, and that is sign people on reputation alone and what they have done in the past, rather than evaluating that player and see if he fit's in with what you want to do, and can he still do what he was once capable of doing, with no real regard for the draft, you see that is how someone who is incapable or incompetent in talent evaluation get's by on the pro level, just sign established talent, but as we can see that can become very expensive and blow up in your face in a hurry.

It is becoming very easy to see where Gibbs success came from in the 80's, it was Bobby Beathard, BB alway's had a plethara of talent on those teams, and he alway's made sure that if Gibbs made a change at a particular position there was another player waiting in the wings to succeed.

Does anyone really think that BB would have given up what we gave up for Portis? NO way! Especially with a Stephen Jackson coming out who would have been perfect for what Gibbs wanted to do on offense and that's pound the ball, do you think there was anyway that Brunell would have been brought in? No way! Every GM at the time said Brunell was no longer willing to stand in the pocket long enough to allow recievers to break free because he would no longer take a hit, do you think that if the average GM was able to make this evaluation one of the all time greats would not?

Beathard would have drafted better players for minimal contracts or standard contracts, than the players we blew out of the water with grossly overpaid contracts. After watching Carter it is very apparent that he has no first step, he is alway's late coming off the ball, he has no pass rush moves to speak of and he can't disengauge from a defender once they lock horns. AA need I say more, except this, we had a better player on our roster who wanted to stay and we couldn't see our hand in front of our face, dumped him for AA who will now spend most of his time on the sidelines. Then we can turn to Rocky another guy we just had to have and of coarse can't sniff the field. Do I even need to bring up Campbell? Funny the cowboy's had all the same problems we have and yet a simple change at QB and there off and running, and I don't want to here about our victory last week, everyone know's we were as lucky as lucky gets to win that game, we didn't take it, the Boy's gave it to us, TO's sure TD drop, a blocked fieldgoal and a facemask to boot, come on we should be 2-7 right now.

Now here's what does it for me, Gibbs utter distain to give anyone but Brunell playing time at QB, it's boarderline psychotic, we are getting blown out and he just keeps running Brunell out onto the field, 2 of the last 3 games Campbell could have played the 4th quarter and Gibbs is still running Brunell out there, I JUST DON'T GET IT? Brunell must have pictures of Gibbs with farm animals or something because there is no way he should still be on that field, so for anyone who thinks Ramsey recieved a fair shot, just take a long hard look at what Gibbs percieves as a fair shot in Brunell, I still have to laugh at how fast he yanked Ramsey as if the world was about to end, and this undieing loyalty to a QB who is absolutly horrible.

BB proved he can win without Gibbs, he built SB teams everywhere he went, Gibbs hasen't proved he can even win games without BB. Case and point BB was able to get Bobby Ross to a SB, it just goes to show you that superior talent can go a long way in the NFL. It can even make a hall of famer out of you.

As far as Williams goes, this is the first season since Gibbs arrived that Williams hasen't been able to carry his A**, which say's more about Gibbs inability to step up and carry a defense for once than Williams having an off year, yes Gibbs recieved upgrades on offense this year with proven players, Williams although thought was getting upgrades recieved downgrades which is a huge reason why we are where we are on defense. But I will lay some of the blams on what it looks like to me as a coaching slump by Williams, he has to put Rogers up tight on the reciver, this will let Rogers who is very, very physical for a corner to jam and run with the reciever, he just doesn't have the type of reactions to play in space and react to the reciever after the reciever get's some momentum going, he then has to sell out more and bring more blitz packages, I would rather give up the occasional big play than to give a QB all day to find a WR, because our front 4 will not pressure the QB, and we will die a slow death if we stay in that type of D, he need's to get back to the Buddy Ryan philosophy and that's attack, attack, attack!!!!!! If you don't get to the QB with 7 guy's then send 8 but alway's attack.

As for Joe Bugel? Well what I saw yesterday was not guy's getting beat on our line man to man, but coaching breakdowns, I don't think Bugel can catchup with these new blitzing defense as well, I know the guy is a legend here but I have to say we have no ability to run on short yardage play's, we are lucky if we can make half a yard when teams stack up against us let alone convert a third and two on the ground, it's either the coach, or the line, take your pick but that never happened in the 80's, and I keep hearing praise from the coaches about our O-line and how it is the strength of the team, so what is someone to think?

that's the dumbest shit i have ever read!gibbs won his last superbowl and casserley was the gm,beathard had left.if you are so good at coaching and seeing things nobody else sees,go to redskins park and apply for a job!the man is not in the hall of fame because of bobby beathard,jack kent cooke,or jack the ripper.he's in it because he knows the game,and he knows how to win.losing is'nt all the coaches fault,i have'nt seen gibbs or any of the other coaches drop a pass,miss a tackle,or committ a penalty have you?

[61cad]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

that's the dumbest shit i have ever read!gibbs won his last superbowl and casserley was the gm,beathard had left.if you are so good at coaching and seeing things nobody else sees,go to redskins park and apply for a job!the man is not in the hall of fame because of bobby beathard,jack kent cooke,or jack the ripper.he's in it because he knows the game,and he knows how to win.losing is'nt all the coaches fault,i have'nt seen gibbs or any of the other coaches drop a pass,miss a tackle,or committ a penalty have you?

I've only seen him coach this team to a win 3-times this year.

So, what does the Hall Fame have to do with that?

He has the most talented offense he has ever coached. So, what's the problem?

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by 61cad

He has the most talented offense he has ever coached. So, what's the problem?

I disagree on this one BIG TIME!

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by 61cad

I've only seen him coach this team to a win 3-times this year.

So, what does the Hall Fame have to do with that?

He has the most talented offense he has ever coached. So, what's the problem?

he has the best offense he's ever coached on paper and look only,no offense to the current wrs,but i would take monk,clark,and sanders over them anyday.the problem is'nt with the coaches,it's with the players,the only player on the skins team this year that has played good enough to even be mentioned as a pro bowl player is sean taylor.gibbs and the coaches know how to coach,maybe the players just are'nt listening?why else would they be the most penalized team in the league?

[offiss]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

that's the dumbest shit i have ever read!gibbs won his last superbowl and casserley was the gm,beathard had left.if you are so good at coaching and seeing things nobody else sees,go to redskins park and apply for a job! the man is not in the hall of fame because of bobby beathard,jack kent cooke,or jack the ripper.he's in it because he knows the game,and he knows how to win losing is'nt all the coaches fault,i have'nt seen gibbs or any of the other coaches drop a pass,miss a tackle,or committ a penalty have you?

OK now that we have gotten through the Gibbs is God and can do no wrong crew I will break down some of your ignorance, where do you think the talent from that team came from? Casserly? Gibbs? NO! it was left behind by BB, kind of ironic that Gibbs first duty as GM with his lacky Casserly [who did wonders in houston] was a complete and utter bust in Desmond Howard, especially when we needed D-line help at that point, Gibbs gave up 2 #1's in a draft loaded with star D-linemen for [guess what else is new] more offensive players, then see's the team is about finished talent wise and needs to be rebuilt and quit's, that about sum it up?

As for applying for a job? It would be a waste of time, they don't have enough football intelligence to make that hire!!!!!!

i have'nt seen gibbs or any of the other coaches drop a pass,miss a tackle,or committ a penalty have you?

No I haven't seen that either, he's just dropped the ball by bringing in players or keeping players around who as you have stated can't seem to do the simple things, unlike the players BB used to bring in.

the man is not in the hall of fame because of bobby beathard,jack kent cooke,or jack the ripper.he's in it because he knows the game,and he knows how to win

Well he's done nothing so far to prove otherwise. Take a good look we are going backwards not forwards!

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by offiss

OK now that we have gotten through the Gibbs is God and can do no wrong crew I will break down some of your ignorance, where do you think the talent from that team came from? Casserly? Gibbs? NO! it was left behind by BB, kind of ironic that Gibbs first duty as GM with his lacky Casserly [who did wonders in houston] was a complete and utter bust in Desmond Howard, especially when we needed D-line help at that point, Gibbs gave up 2 #1's in a draft loaded with star D-linemen for [guess what else is new] more offensive players, then see's the team is about finished talent wise and needs to be rebuilt and quit's, that about sum it up?

As for applying for a job? It would be a waste of time, they don't have enough football intelligence to make that hire!!!!!!



No I haven't seen that either, he's just dropped the ball by bringing in players or keeping players around who as you have stated can't seem to do the simple things, unlike the players BB used to bring in.



Well he's done nothing so far to prove otherwise. Take a good look we are going backwards not forwards!

i think you have been watching too many hitler and goebbels highlights,and then you decided to take up the unabombers manifesto or something!bobby beathard was at best a descent gm.he may have been the gm,but gibbs built the players,and the staff.if you think that the game of football has passed gibbs by,you're further down the road to insanity we all think you are.go seek help for your bi polar condition,it will kill you if you do'nt!

[offiss]

Originally Posted by redskinsfanatic

i think you have been watching too many hitler and goebbels highlights,and then you decided to take up the unabombers manifesto or something!bobby beathard was at best a descent gm.he may have been the gm,but gibbs built the players,and the staff.if you think that the game of football has passed gibbs by,you're further down the road to insanity we all think you are.go seek help for your bi polar condition,it will kill you if you do'nt!

bobby beathard was at best a descent gm.

That is all anyone needs to know about your football intellect.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by offiss

Gibbs has been living in fantasy land since his return 3 years ago, he has completly lost whatever it was he had in the past, whether it's his football instinct, or what I believe and have believed all along is one Bobby Beathard. He has absolutly no clue when it comes to talent evaluation, and that not only includes who get's drafted or traded for, but who see's playing time.

Gibbs stepped into the front office as if he knew the NFL better than the NFL itself, he immediatly began the Steinbrenner building format, and that is sign people on reputation alone and what they have done in the past, rather than evaluating that player and see if he fit's in with what you want to do, and can he still do what he was once capable of doing, with no real regard for the draft, you see that is how someone who is incapable or incompetent in talent evaluation get's by on the pro level, just sign established talent, but as we can see that can become very expensive and blow up in your face in a hurry.

It is becoming very easy to see where Gibbs success came from in the 80's, it was Bobby Beathard, BB alway's had a plethara of talent on those teams, and he alway's made sure that if Gibbs made a change at a particular position there was another player waiting in the wings to succeed.

Does anyone really think that BB would have given up what we gave up for Portis? NO way! Especially with a Stephen Jackson coming out who would have been perfect for what Gibbs wanted to do on offense and that's pound the ball, do you think there was anyway that Brunell would have been brought in? No way! Every GM at the time said Brunell was no longer willing to stand in the pocket long enough to allow recievers to break free because he would no longer take a hit, do you think that if the average GM was able to make this evaluation one of the all time greats would not?

Beathard would have drafted better players for minimal contracts or standard contracts, than the players we blew out of the water with grossly overpaid contracts. After watching Carter it is very apparent that he has no first step, he is alway's late coming off the ball, he has no pass rush moves to speak of and he can't disengauge from a defender once they lock horns. AA need I say more, except this, we had a better player on our roster who wanted to stay and we couldn't see our hand in front of our face, dumped him for AA who will now spend most of his time on the sidelines. Then we can turn to Rocky another guy we just had to have and of coarse can't sniff the field. Do I even need to bring up Campbell? Funny the cowboy's had all the same problems we have and yet a simple change at QB and there off and running, and I don't want to here about our victory last week, everyone know's we were as lucky as lucky gets to win that game, we didn't take it, the Boy's gave it to us, TO's sure TD drop, a blocked fieldgoal and a facemask to boot, come on we should be 2-7 right now.

Now here's what does it for me, Gibbs utter distain to give anyone but Brunell playing time at QB, it's boarderline psychotic, we are getting blown out and he just keeps running Brunell out onto the field, 2 of the last 3 games Campbell could have played the 4th quarter and Gibbs is still running Brunell out there, I JUST DON'T GET IT? Brunell must have pictures of Gibbs with farm animals or something because there is no way he should still be on that field, so for anyone who thinks Ramsey recieved a fair shot, just take a long hard look at what Gibbs percieves as a fair shot in Brunell, I still have to laugh at how fast he yanked Ramsey as if the world was about to end, and this undieing loyalty to a QB who is absolutly horrible.

BB proved he can win without Gibbs, he built SB teams everywhere he went, Gibbs hasen't proved he can even win games without BB. Case and point BB was able to get Bobby Ross to a SB, it just goes to show you that superior talent can go a long way in the NFL. It can even make a hall of famer out of you.

As far as Williams goes, this is the first season since Gibbs arrived that Williams hasen't been able to carry his A**, which say's more about Gibbs inability to step up and carry a defense for once than Williams having an off year, yes Gibbs recieved upgrades on offense this year with proven players, Williams although thought was getting upgrades recieved downgrades which is a huge reason why we are where we are on defense. But I will lay some of the blams on what it looks like to me as a coaching slump by Williams, he has to put Rogers up tight on the reciver, this will let Rogers who is very, very physical for a corner to jam and run with the reciever, he just doesn't have the type of reactions to play in space and react to the reciever after the reciever get's some momentum going, he then has to sell out more and bring more blitz packages, I would rather give up the occasional big play than to give a QB all day to find a WR, because our front 4 will not pressure the QB, and we will die a slow death if we stay in that type of D, he need's to get back to the Buddy Ryan philosophy and that's attack, attack, attack!!!!!! If you don't get to the QB with 7 guy's then send 8 but alway's attack.

As for Joe Bugel? Well what I saw yesterday was not guy's getting beat on our line man to man, but coaching breakdowns, I don't think Bugel can catchup with these new blitzing defense as well, I know the guy is a legend here but I have to say we have no ability to run on short yardage play's, we are lucky if we can make half a yard when teams stack up against us let alone convert a third and two on the ground, it's either the coach, or the line, take your pick but that never happened in the 80's, and I keep hearing praise from the coaches about our O-line and how it is the strength of the team, so what is someone to think?

I think that I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading your rhetoric.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

I think that I just wasted 5 minutes of my life reading your rhetoric.

Next time don't bother, believe me you've heard it all before.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

Next time don't bother, believe me you've heard it all before.

It's kind of like something gross being shown on TV..you know it will gross you out to watch it, but you wind up doing it anyway.

[MTK]

Originally Posted by skinsguy

It's kind of like something gross being shown on TV..you know it will gross you out to watch it, but you wind up doing it anyway.

yeah but eventually you'll just turn the channel and not bother wasting your time.

[skinsguy]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

yeah but eventually you'll just turn the channel and not bother wasting your time.

I'm sick this morning...I must be the drugs....lol

[redskinsfanatic]

Originally Posted by Mattyk72

yeah but eventually you'll just turn the channel and not bother wasting your time.

is it me though,or does espn,comcast,and all the other sports shows seem to have a particular look of glee in their eyes when they show the redskins lowlights?i know that bald headed ass terry bradshaw,and mr hair jimmy johnson do,and do'nt let me get started on deion sanders or mr 8 ball michael irvin!