Ramsey update

MTK · 06-22-2006, 08:27 AM

Rookie Clemens emerges in Jets' QB battle

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Ramsey, who was a tackling dummy in Washington under former coach Steve Spurrier, was a mild disappointment. He has the arm but missed several open receivers and his penchant for interceptions reared its ugly head. His frustration boiled over as he was visibly upset at times.

"You're out there competing and you want to do everything perfect every time," Ramsey said.

Paintrain · 06-22-2006, 08:52 AM

The Jets aren't giving him a fair chance!!! How dare they have defenders and open receivers on the field!!!

TheMalcolmConnection · 06-22-2006, 08:53 AM

Damn, wish we would have kept him.

Every time I read something like this it reminds me why we're all not head coaches.

mheisig · 06-22-2006, 09:29 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMalcolmConnection

Damn, wish we would have kept him.

Every time I read something like this it reminds me why we're all not head coaches.

Wait, we're not?

12thMan · 06-22-2006, 09:00 AM

You know if Ramsey doesn't produce up there people will say he's in a bad offense or so and so ruined his career. I

've always thought he would be a very solid QB, but never a great one.

firstdown · 06-22-2006, 09:15 AM

I realy liked Ramsey the person and realy hope that he can turn things around and get his career on track. It does not sound all that great and he may end up off the team or a 3rd string QB. Maybe they are now seeing what Gibbs knew and thats why he is no longer here and maybe a few people will quit second guessing Gibbs ability to evaluate talent.

BrudLee · 06-22-2006, 09:33 AM

Perhaps we're beginning to learn that sometimes a guy doesn't get a fair shake because he doesn't earn it.

There are players in the NFL that aren't nearly as good as Ramsey, but they don't have the expectations that he suffered under. It's a shame because he seems to be a stand-up guy. Unfortunately, the chances he was given weren't successful, often for reasons outside his ability to control.

mheisig · 06-22-2006, 09:37 AM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

Perhaps we're beginning to learn that sometimes a guy doesn't get a fair shake because he doesn't earn it.

There are players in the NFL that aren't nearly as good as Ramsey, but they don't have the expectations that he suffered under. It's a shame because he seems to be a stand-up guy. Unfortunately, the chances he was given weren't successful, often for reasons outside his ability to control.

Or more simply, just outside his ability altogether.

He's a nice guy, but at a certain point you've got to admit he's not cut out to be a #1 QB in the NFL. Doesn't make him any less of a nice guy, just means he doesn't have the talent.

Southpaw · 06-22-2006, 10:16 AM

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Originally Posted by BrudLee

There are players in the NFL that aren't nearly as good as Ramsey, but they don't have the expectations that he suffered under. It's a shame because he seems to be a stand-up guy. Unfortunately, the chances he was given weren't successful, often for reasons outside his ability to control.

This is the most intelligent comment on this topic. Ramsey is better than the two quarterbacks that were selected before him in the draft, and they've both had three full seasons to mature. Harrington fizzled out, but until last season, he had the full support of the coaching staff. Carr still has the support of his team, and he has yet to prove anything except that he was picked WAY too early in the draft.

Meanwhile, Ramsey was circle jerked in an out of the lineup by Spurrier, and then blackballed by Gibbs. His maturation suffered, and eventually the fans turned on him. My only hope is that Campbell doesn't throw a pick in his first start, otherwise he'll be a bust in the eyes of typical Redskins fans.

mheisig · 06-22-2006, 10:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

This is the most intelligent comment on this topic. Ramsey is better than the two quarterbacks that were selected before him in the draft, and they've both had three full seasons to mature. Harrington fizzled out, but until last season, he had the full support of the coaching staff. Carr still has the support of his team, and he has yet to prove anything except that he was picked WAY too early in the draft.

Meanwhile, Ramsey was circle jerked in an out of the lineup by Spurrier, and then blackballed by Gibbs. His maturation suffered, and eventually the fans turned on him. My only hope is that Campbell doesn't throw a pick in his first start, otherwise he'll be a bust in the eyes of typical Redskins fans.

What proof do you have to back that up?

Southpaw · 06-22-2006, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by mheisig

What proof do you have to back that up?

Ummmm... which part?

mheisig · 06-22-2006, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

Ummmm... which part?

The part from your post that I put in gigantic bold text. Let's try again:

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

Ramsey is better than the two quarterbacks that were selected before him in the draft

Not trying to be an ass, I'm just honestly curious.

12thMan · 06-22-2006, 10:40 AM

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Originally Posted by Southpaw

This is the most intelligent comment on this topic. Ramsey is better than the two quarterbacks that were selected before him in the draft, and they've both had three full seasons to mature. Harrington fizzled out, but until last season, he had the full support of the coaching staff. Carr still has the support of his team, and he has yet to prove anything except that he was picked WAY too early in the draft.

Meanwhile, Ramsey was circle jerked in an out of the lineup by Spurrier, and then blackballed by Gibbs. His maturation suffered, and eventually the fans turned on him. My only hope is that Campbell doesn't throw a pick in his first start, otherwise he'll be a bust in the eyes of typical Redskins fans.

I don't think it's fair to say Ramsey was blackballed by Gibbs...how so? Gibbs simply chose and went witht he QB he thought gave the team the best chance at winning. Period. Fair or unfair, that's life in the NFL.

In my opinion, exceptional quaterbacks rise above the circumstances and situations handed to them and still perform. One thing we know for sure, Ramsey had a shot to prove himself. Whether his maturity was stunted by outside circumstances is debatable. But what isn't is that he had his chance, and for sure he's getting another shot in NY.

MTK · 06-22-2006, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by 12thMan

I don't think it's fair to say Ramsey was blackballed by Gibbs...how so? Gibbs simply chose and went witht he QB he thought gave the team the best chance at winning. Period. Fair or unfair, that's life in the NFL.

In my opinion, exceptional quaterbacks rise above the circumstances and situations handed to them and still perform. One thing we know for sure, Ramsey had a shot to prove himself. Whether his maturity was stunted by outside circumstances is debatable. But what isn't is that he had his chance, and for sure he's getting another shot in NY.

Some people just don't understand take the fact that Ramsey wasn't Gibbs guy from the start. He didn't owe him anything. Saying that Gibbs 'blackballed' him is just ridiculous and flys in the face of everything that Gibbs is all about.

12thMan · 06-22-2006, 10:53 AM

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Some people just don't understand take the fact that Ramsey wasn't Gibbs guy from the start. He didn't owe him anything. Saying that Gibbs 'blackballed' him is just ridiculous and flys in the face of everything that Gibbs is all about.

I don't get why, or seemingly, people are so emotionally attached to Ramsey.

06-22-2006, 08:52 AM	#2
Paintrain Pro Bowl Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Ft. Lauderdale, FL Age: 54 Posts: 5,006	Re: Ramsey update The Jets aren't giving him a fair chance!!! How dare they have defenders and open receivers on the field!!! __________________ Paintrain's Redskins Fandom 1981-2014 I'm not dead but this team is dead to me...but now that McCloughan is here they may have new life! Jay Gruden = Zorny McSpurrier Kirk Cousins = Next Grossman

06-22-2006, 08:53 AM	#3
TheMalcolmConnection I like big (_\|_)s. Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Charlottesville, Virginia Age: 43 Posts: 19,254	Re: Ramsey update Damn, wish we would have kept him. Every time I read something like this it reminds me why we're all not head coaches. __________________ Regret nothing. At one time it was exactly what you wanted.

06-22-2006, 09:00 AM	#5
12thMan MVP Join Date: May 2005 Location: washington, D.C. Posts: 11,460	Re: Ramsey update You know if Ramsey doesn't produce up there people will say he's in a bad offense or so and so ruined his career. I 've always thought he would be a very solid QB, but never a great one.

06-22-2006, 09:15 AM	#6
firstdown Living Legend Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: chesapeake, va Age: 60 Posts: 15,817	Re: Ramsey update I realy liked Ramsey the person and realy hope that he can turn things around and get his career on track. It does not sound all that great and he may end up off the team or a 3rd string QB. Maybe they are now seeing what Gibbs knew and thats why he is no longer here and maybe a few people will quit second guessing Gibbs ability to evaluate talent.

06-22-2006, 09:33 AM	#7
BrudLee Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Rehoboth Beach, DE Posts: 3,494	Re: Ramsey update Perhaps we're beginning to learn that sometimes a guy doesn't get a fair shake because he doesn't earn it. There are players in the NFL that aren't nearly as good as Ramsey, but they don't have the expectations that he suffered under. It's a shame because he seems to be a stand-up guy. Unfortunately, the chances he was given weren't successful, often for reasons outside his ability to control. __________________ There's nowhere to go but up. Or down. I guess we could stay where we are, too.

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