This Years Draft

Tank · 03-18-2006, 03:06 PM

Who will the Redskins draft this year?

That Guy · 03-18-2006, 04:11 PM

normally i'd tell you to use the search function, but seeing as how our draft situation has changed drastically, i'll actually post all the better round 5-7 players available once i'm done researching them.

Pocket$ $traight · 03-18-2006, 04:43 PM

Cornerback or linebacker.

wolfeskins · 03-18-2006, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by Grim21Reaper

Cornerback or linebacker.

that sounds about right too me.

That Guy · 03-18-2006, 06:16 PM

(probable) SECOND ROUND options:

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Antonio Cromartie (CB, would be higher but missed last year with injury)
Tim Jennings (CB, top 3 speed with a 4.32 40, only 5'8", not a typical GW corner)
Ko Simpson (FS, fast enough for pot corner work)
Daniel Bullocks (SS, fast)

D'Qwell Jackson (ILB, probably gone 20+ picks ago)
Bobby Carpenter (OLB)
Thomas Howard (OLB)
Jon Alston (OLB, 3rd rounder, a stretch)

Claude Wroten (DT)
Rodrique White (DT)
Darryl Tapp (DE - probably have to spend a year switching to DT, good motor and first step,
	terrible speed and he's short AND underweight)
Stanley McClover (DE, situational rusher)

Davin Joseph (311, 5.09, probably gone very early in round 2)
Charles Spencer (OG, 352, 5.3, can play RT or DT/NT as well)
Eric Winston (OT/TE - would struggle if needed to start right now, hyper athletic but still 
	working on the move from TE to tackle)
Chris Chester (C, can play LG or TE, super althletic, but a round 3-4 guy, huge stretch in
	 the 2nd, needs technique work for OL positions)
Todd Watkins (WR, 6'3" 4.4 202lbs, not taking a WR here)
Leonard Pope/ Joe Klopenstein (6'8"/6'5" 4.6 TEs, one might be here - not taking a TE)

(probable) LOW ROUND options:

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Offense:
Name (Position)		School	Rnd	Hgt	Wgt	40	2005 stats
Jhari Evans (OT)	BlmBurg	4	6'4"	316	5.25	probably gone by pick
Paul McQuistan (OT)	Webr St	4	6'6"	312	5.07	probably gone by pick
Joe Toledo (OT)		Wash	4-5	6'6"	337	5.11	good chance of being gone
Tony Scheffler (TE)	W Mich	5-6	6'6"	254	4.54	57 for 670yards 9TDs
Matt Bernstein (FB)	Wiscons	5-6	6'1"	241	4.91	best pure blocking FB
Jeff Webb (WR)		SanD St	6	6'2"	211	4.40	92 for 1109, 10TD
Ingle Martin (QB) I-AA	Furman	6-7	6'2"	220	4.71	212/349 (60.7%), 2959yd
								20TD, 13Int
	No WR had over 680yrds, 5 with 345+ yards, he punts	77/401 rushing, 5TD
								34/1446 punting (42.53)
Will Montgomery (C)	VA Tech	6-7	6'3"	312	5.12
Stephen Gostkowski (K)	Memphis	7	6'2"	210	5.18	22/25, 3/3 from 50+
Drouzon Quillen (WR)	LA-Mon	Und	6'6"	218	4.52	45 for 707, 9 TD


Defense:
Name (Position)		School	Rnd	Hgt	Wgt	40	2005 stats
Elvis Dumervil (DE)	Lousvi	5	6'0"	257	4.75	63tak (36 solo), 20sacks
								1 int, 4PD, 10FF
Brandon Guillory (DE)	La-Mon	5-6	6'4"	252	4.56	37solo tak, 18 for loss
	Only played 1 season, decent upside			10.5 sacks, 1 safety
								4 PD, 2 FF, 2 kick blocks
Kai Parham (ILB)	Virgnia	4-5	6'3"	256	4.98	103tak (57 solo), 8.5sacks
Stephen Tulloch (ILB)	NC St	5-6	5'11"	241	4.84	134tak (59solo), 6 sacks
Jimmy Cottrell (ILB)	NewMxSt	Und	6'0"	238lbs	4.86	189tak(90solo),2sack,4PD
Brandon Johnson (OLB)	Lousvi	5	6'5"	228	4.44	73tak (45solo) 2sacks
	lots of upside						2 int, 5PD, 1FF, 1block
Clint Ingram (OLB)	Oklaho	5	6'2"	244	4.65	61tak (35solo) 5sacks
								5 int, 4PD, 2FF
Charlton Keith (OLB)	Kansas	5-6	6'5"	237	4.78	60tak (32solo), 27for loss
								8.5sacks, 1int, 7PD, 2FF
Anthony Trucks (OLB)	Oregon	6-7	6'1"	233	4.76	99tak(62solo), 11sacks
								1int, 3PD, 5FF
Kevin Simon (OLB)	Tennes	7	5'11"	235	4.89	88tak (40solo), 1sack, 5PD
Dion Byrum (CB)		Ohio	5	5'11"	192	4.38	45tak (38solo), 5int, 6PD
	can return kicks					2FF
Dwayne Slay (FS)	Tex Tch	5-6	6'4"	216	4.78	114tak(75solo), 1sack, 8FF
								1int, 1PD
Reed Doughty (FS)	No Col	6	6'1"	209	4.65	159tak(76solo), .5sack
	had 6ints in 2004					4int, 4PD, 3FF
Harrison Smith (FS)	Califo	7	6'2"	200	4.68	72tak(50solo), 2int, 8PD
								1 sack
Willie Andrews (SS)	Baylor	5	5'10"	193	4.43	59 (36solo) 8 for loss
	GOOD return guy (10.15yd per punt, 24.1per kick)	2 sacks, 3PD, 1FF
Eric Smith (SS)		Mich St	5	6'1"	209	4.63	101tak(77solo), 4PD, 2int
Chris Harrell (SS)	Penn St	7	6'1"	209	4.70	88 (50solo), 1int, 4PD
Ryan Plackemeier (P)	Wak For	5-6	6'3"	253	5.20	47.24, exp w/ FGs/KOs
John Torp (P)		Colora	6-7	6'2"	212	4.73	45.16, (5/69 rushing)
Sam Koch (P)		Nebrask	Und	6'1"	233		46.51, 1PD

Here's a player list, its not everyone of course, but i did look through the stats of EVERY LB/DB/K/P in rounds 5-7 (and some projected undrafted guys), as well as some low round 4 guys (if they should happen to fall). I looked through all other positions as well, but not as thoroughly.

For the 2nd round I did look through every position pretty closely. Some guys on these lists are there more for completion, as we probably won't be seeing the skins drafting a WR in the 2nd, or a FB in any round, etc.

I'll use a seperate post for a potential draft.
http://web1.ncaa.org/d1mfb/mainpage.jsp (ncaa stat database)
http://www.nfldraftscout.com (specific draft data and rankings)
http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com (general, less hardcore rankings)
were used in compiling this, as well as seeing some of the players in games, at the combine, at the senior bowl, etc.

Defensewins · 03-18-2006, 07:12 PM

This kid looks good and is projected to go around the time we pick. I like his size, speed and most impotantly is described as very physical player against the run. I like the sound of that. Has size to play safety as well. His only weakness is he played division II

Danieal Manning
Height: 5-10 3/4 | Weight: 202 | 40-Time: 4.46

Strengths:
Has excellent size and a solid frame...An tremendous athlete...Has very good speed...A playmaker who has a knack for coming up big...Versatile and can play multiple positions...Has great instincts...Very physical and will support the run...Has outstanding ball skills...Always a threat to score...Also makes an impact on special teams as a kick blocker and return man...Was a prolific in Division II.

Weaknesses:
Did not play against a high level of competition and was a big fish in a small pond...Very raw and needs a lot of technique work...A bit of a 'tweener whose ultimate pro position is still undecided...Will have to adjust to an entirely new speed...Might not have the pure coverage skills to play corner in the pros.

Notes:
Could project to either corner or safety at the next level...Originally signed with Nebraska out of high school...Don't let his small school roots fool you because this guy is a great football player...One of the premier sleeper prospects in the draft.

http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...almanning.html

That Guy · 03-18-2006, 07:29 PM

obviously our draft (2,5,6,6,7,7 (late) and 6 (early)) is going to revolve around OL/DB/LB depth. We could afford competition at Punter (but don't need to waste a pick on it) and at WR #5 (also not that important). Even if we sign a linebacker, because it won't be a front line free agent, its very possible the 2nd round pick could be used on another LB to compete for the starting job. If we get one OL or DB guy, we could easily draft another in the second as well. (though if andre dyson is signed (a #2 quality CB), then we probably hold off on a DB till the later picks)

I don't think we're in the market for any sort of RB or FB, and if evans comes back, our DL starters and depth would be pretty well taken care of this year, so a late rounder may be used on a young guy, but not with our first selection.

On the #2 pick: If cromartie or J Joseph are available and dyson isn't signed, they'd be better picks than spencer, BUT the low end of the draft is seriously lacking in high talent OL and we might need an immediate starter. We have backup LBs and CBs that are somewhat passable if needed, but there's no one that can step in on the O line (if spencer is gone, davin joseph should be available... not as big, but very talented as well). While Spencer is bench warming, he can also help at DT/NT. he's got 35lbs on joe S.

2 - OG/OT Spencer
5 - CB Dion Byrum
6 - ILB Stephen Tulloch
6 - FS Reed Doughty
6 - OLB Anthony Trucks
7 - QB/P Ingle Martin - not only can he pass, he's also a better punter than Frost :P
7 - FS Harrison Smith
Und - WR Drouzon Quillen
Und - P Sam Koch
Und - ILB Jimmy Cottrell

WR #5 and Punt competition, I think martin is better than collins, so maybe (if he can't punt better than Frost) he could be put on the practice squad or conviently get an injury (like simon, melvin williams, and manny white before him) till next year when collins may not be needed anymore. OR replace him Will Montgomery (C), who's althletic, but is definately a project in need of a weight room. other LBs and safeties could be brought in, but they're clearly a class down from those taken a round or two earlier.

Skins_4_Lyfe · 03-18-2006, 07:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy

2 - OG/OT Spencer
5 - CB Dion Byrum
6 - ILB Stephen Tulloch
6 - FS Reed Doughty
6 - OLB Anthony Trucks
7 - QB/P Ingle Martin - not only can he pass, he's also a better punter than Frost :P
7 - FS Harrison Smith
Und - WR Drouzon Quillen
Und - P Sam Koch

where did we get all the 6th and 7th rounders from?

That Guy · 03-18-2006, 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Skins_4_Lyfe

where did we get all the 6th and 7th rounders from?

early 6th (jetss - for patrick ramsey)
6th (panthers - for rod gardner)
7th (comp pick, for losing 2 FAs (smoot/pierce) and getting two much cheaper FAs (patten rabach) in the same year... the value difference should create a 7th round pick).

Skins_4_Lyfe · 03-18-2006, 08:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy

early 6th (jetss - for patrick ramsey)
6th (panthers - for rod gardner)
7th (comp pick, for losing 2 FAs (smoot/pierce) and getting two much cheaper FAs (patten rabach) in the same year... the value difference should create a 7th round pick).

Thanks...I'll never understand the way these things work

SmootSmack · 03-19-2006, 03:46 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by That Guy

early 6th (jetss - for patrick ramsey)
6th (panthers - for rod gardner)
7th (comp pick, for losing 2 FAs (smoot/pierce) and getting two much cheaper FAs (patten rabach) in the same year... the value difference should create a 7th round pick).

I wonder how much of a difference it would have been had Smoot and Pierce not missed a combined 8 games.

That Guy · 03-19-2006, 04:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TAFKAS

I wonder how much of a difference it would have been had Smoot and Pierce not missed a combined 8 games.

probably not a big difference (patten did end up on IR, missing 7 reg season and 2 post sseason games). The only REALLY important factor is number lost and number gained. Contract size and performance are secondary concerns.

Skins_4_Lyfe · 03-19-2006, 03:44 AM

LB Thomas Howard...his best 40-time is a 4.38, thats crazy for a linebacker. I'm not sure if he'll make an immediate impact, but few second rounders do.

That Guy · 03-19-2006, 03:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Skins_4_Lyfe

LB Thomas Howard...his best 40-time is a 4.38, thats crazy for a linebacker. I'm not sure if he'll make an immediate impact, but few second rounders do.

a lot of 2nd rounders can make an immediate impact

especially OG/C since almost none get drafted in the 1st (blocking TEs too).

in the 5th there a brandon johnson who's the same thing... great numbers, but a project at LB.

NM Redskin · 03-19-2006, 04:18 AM

Jimmy Contrell !!! I got to see him play here at NMSU and he's a monster. Named to the All WAC Team at LB. He would be a great pick up in the 6th or 7th round. Nose for the ball. Gibbs I'm tellin you draft this guy, lol.

03-18-2006, 03:06 PM	#1
Tank Camp Scrub Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 6	This Years Draft Who will the Redskins draft this year?

03-18-2006, 04:43 PM	#3
Pocket$ $traight Registered User Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Fairfax, VA Age: 48 Posts: 4,261	Re: This Years Draft Cornerback or linebacker.

03-18-2006, 07:12 PM	#6
Defensewins Playmaker Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Houston, Texas Posts: 3,749	Re: This Years Draft This kid looks good and is projected to go around the time we pick. I like his size, speed and most impotantly is described as very physical player against the run. I like the sound of that. Has size to play safety as well. His only weakness is he played division II Danieal Manning Height: 5-10 3/4 \| Weight: 202 \| 40-Time: 4.46 Strengths: Has excellent size and a solid frame...An tremendous athlete...Has very good speed...A playmaker who has a knack for coming up big...Versatile and can play multiple positions...Has great instincts...Very physical and will support the run...Has outstanding ball skills...Always a threat to score...Also makes an impact on special teams as a kick blocker and return man...Was a prolific in Division II. Weaknesses: Did not play against a high level of competition and was a big fish in a small pond...Very raw and needs a lot of technique work...A bit of a 'tweener whose ultimate pro position is still undecided...Will have to adjust to an entirely new speed...Might not have the pure coverage skills to play corner in the pros. Notes: Could project to either corner or safety at the next level...Originally signed with Nebraska out of high school...Don't let his small school roots fool you because this guy is a great football player...One of the premier sleeper prospects in the draft. http://www.nfldraftcountdown.com/sco...almanning.html

03-18-2006, 07:29 PM	#7
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: This Years Draft obviously our draft (2,5,6,6,7,7 (late) and 6 (early)) is going to revolve around OL/DB/LB depth. We could afford competition at Punter (but don't need to waste a pick on it) and at WR #5 (also not that important). Even if we sign a linebacker, because it won't be a front line free agent, its very possible the 2nd round pick could be used on another LB to compete for the starting job. If we get one OL or DB guy, we could easily draft another in the second as well. (though if andre dyson is signed (a #2 quality CB), then we probably hold off on a DB till the later picks) I don't think we're in the market for any sort of RB or FB, and if evans comes back, our DL starters and depth would be pretty well taken care of this year, so a late rounder may be used on a young guy, but not with our first selection. On the #2 pick: If cromartie or J Joseph are available and dyson isn't signed, they'd be better picks than spencer, BUT the low end of the draft is seriously lacking in high talent OL and we might need an immediate starter. We have backup LBs and CBs that are somewhat passable if needed, but there's no one that can step in on the O line (if spencer is gone, davin joseph should be available... not as big, but very talented as well). While Spencer is bench warming, he can also help at DT/NT. he's got 35lbs on joe S. 2 - OG/OT Spencer 5 - CB Dion Byrum 6 - ILB Stephen Tulloch 6 - FS Reed Doughty 6 - OLB Anthony Trucks 7 - QB/P Ingle Martin - not only can he pass, he's also a better punter than Frost :P 7 - FS Harrison Smith Und - WR Drouzon Quillen Und - P Sam Koch Und - ILB Jimmy Cottrell WR #5 and Punt competition, I think martin is better than collins, so maybe (if he can't punt better than Frost) he could be put on the practice squad or conviently get an injury (like simon, melvin williams, and manny white before him) till next year when collins may not be needed anymore. OR replace him Will Montgomery (C), who's althletic, but is definately a project in need of a weight room. other LBs and safeties could be brought in, but they're clearly a class down from those taken a round or two earlier.

03-19-2006, 03:44 AM	#13
Skins_4_Lyfe Special Teams Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Upper Marlboro, MD/Greensboro, NC Age: 37 Posts: 482	Re: This Years Draft LB Thomas Howard...his best 40-time is a 4.38, thats crazy for a linebacker. I'm not sure if he'll make an immediate impact, but few second rounders do. __________________ WARRIOR

03-18-2006, 04:11 PM	#2
That Guy Living Legend Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: VA Age: 42 Posts: 17,553	Re: This Years Draft normally i'd tell you to use the search function, but seeing as how our draft situation has changed drastically, i'll actually post all the better round 5-7 players available once i'm done researching them.

03-19-2006, 04:18 AM	#15
NM Redskin The Starter Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: New Mexico Posts: 1,014	Re: This Years Draft Jimmy Contrell !!! I got to see him play here at NMSU and he's a monster. Named to the All WAC Team at LB. He would be a great pick up in the 6th or 7th round. Nose for the ball. Gibbs I'm tellin you draft this guy, lol. __________________ Despite my solid 40 time and great intangibles I went undrafted AGAIN!

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